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Old 08-27-2008, 10:45 PM   #196
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Joe Biden's speech=

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The Bidens are a generally good-looking American family.
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Old 08-27-2008, 11:05 PM   #199
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I've never seen so many politicians eager to stress their Scranton roots as in this election cycle.
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The Bidens are a generally good-looking American family.
Very true, the grandkids were gorgeous.

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Joe Biden gave a great speech. He is, as Irvine said awhile back, a shit kicker. He isn't afraid to get tough and say what needs to be said. I also noticed that he's humble and really will be able to connect with the average American. I thought his mention of China and India's rise in the global economy was an important issue that hasn't been addressed yet. I also was very pleased that he mentioned that the real central front in the war on terror needs to be Afghanistan and Pakistan, and also that he made it clear where he and Senator Obama stand on the Russia/Georgia crisis. I'm glad he made it clear that Obama won't back down from using diplomacy with Iran. Anyone who would even consider military action, *coughBombBombBombIrancough*, clearly does not understand the ramifications of launching another invasion in an unstable Middle East that is very angry at the U.S. for the disaster of a war we already created there. We need Barack Obama and Joe Biden in the White House, or we're going to continue to spiral downward faster than we can imagine.
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I've never seen so many politicians eager to stress their Scranton roots as in this election cycle.
It's because of The Office.
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I've never seen so many politicians eager to stress their Scranton roots as in this election cycle.
"Sittin’ in my office with a plate of grilled bacon,
Call my man Dwight just to see what was shakin’

Yo Mike, our town is dope and pretty
So check out how we live in the Electric City!

They call it Scranton
What?
The Electric City
Scranton
What?
The Electric City

Lazy Scranton the Electric City
They call it that ’cause of the electricity

The city’s laid out from east to west
And our public parks and libraries are truly the best

Call poison control if you’re bit by a spider
But check that it’s covered by your health care provider!

Are you hungry? Well quit your whining
The new downtown has five-star dining

You lack coal mines and you wanna see ‘em,
Well, check it out, yo, the Anthracite Museum!

The dope thing to do, that’s several and counting
The illest place to go is Montage Mountain

Plenty of space in the parking lot,
But the little cars go in the compact spot
Spot, spot, spot, spot …

Snack attack time, don’t lose your head
We like Cugino’s for the tasty bread

They call it Scranton
What?
The Electric City
Scranton
What?
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Scranton
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A few other reasons. But, hey, we're grateful for the attention.
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Joe Biden gave a great speech. He is, as Irvine said awhile back, a shit kicker. He isn't afraid to get tough and say what needs to be said. I also noticed that he's humble and really will be able to connect with the average American. I thought his mention of China and India's rise in the global economy was an important issue that hasn't been addressed yet. I also was very pleased that he mentioned that the real central front in the war on terror needs to be Afghanistan and Pakistan, and also that he made it clear where he and Senator Obama stand on the Russia/Georgia crisis. I'm glad he made it clear that Obama won't back down from using diplomacy with Iran. Anyone who would even consider military action, *coughBombBombBombIrancough*, clearly does not understand the ramifications of launching another invasion in an unstable Middle East that is very angry at the U.S. for the disaster of a war we already created there. We need Barack Obama and Joe Biden in the White House, or we're going to continue to spiral downward faster than we can imagine.
Can someone tell me why Democrats are supposedly pleased with Biden's foreign policy experience? He voted for the Iraq War, and Obama has been continuously talking about how it never should have been authorized or waged. He held that over Hillary's head all through the primaries, yet how can he picks someone with, by his own words, such bad judgment as his running mate? I don't get it.

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We need Barack Obama and Joe Biden in the White House, or we're going to continue to spiral downward faster than we can imagine.
I feel exactly the opposite. I fear for the country should these two get elected.
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I'm glad he made it clear that Obama won't back down from using diplomacy with Iran. Anyone who would even consider military action, *coughBombBombBombIrancough*, clearly does not understand the ramifications of launching another invasion in an unstable Middle East that is very angry at the U.S. for the disaster of a war we already created there..
Well, Barack Obama has not officially ruled out the use of military force against Iran.
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"People around the world have always been more impressed by the power of our example than by the example of our power."


brilliant formulation, and goes to the root of what distinguishes democrats from republicans, ties together foreign and domestic policy. the world needs us to be as good as the Republicans want to say we are. fuck exceptionalism. fuck empty nationalism. fuck blind patriotism. this line gets to the heart of why Republicanism has been eviscerated the past 8 years to reveal the empty, greedy, black heart that beats at it's core. it's about me, me, me, and how awesome am i, and what big bombs we have, and what power we can toss around, and who the fuck is out there and wants to fuck with us because goddamnit i got a great big bomb.

this is why torture is wrong. this is why we have to stand up to those who've shredded the constitution and turned the presidency into an elected monarchy. this is why we -- and by "we" i, by extension, mean the West, our friends in the UK, Australia, France, Germany, Spain, Italy, NZ, Japan, and so many others -- actually *are* better than those who'd rejoice at the thought of 3,000 of us burning to death in a building in New York on a beautiful morning in September. this is why our way of life is worth fighting for, why it is worth exporting, and why it just might be the answer to war. but we don't prove we're better with bombs. we don't bomb people into freedom. we don't occupy people into freedom. we do just the opposite. and that is why, for all our flaws, i am proud of my country, and why i feel such a connection with our overseas compatriots who often lead this dream better than we do.

verbal gold. well played, Bubba.

was that not the best speech of Kerry's career?

Biden did what he needed to do. it was well done.

a good night, all around.

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Can someone tell me why Democrats are supposedly pleased with Biden's foreign policy experience? He voted for the Iraq War, and Obama has been continuously talking about how it never should have been authorized or waged. He held that over Hillary's head all through the primaries, yet how can he picks someone with, by his own words, such bad judgment as his running mate? I don't get it.



I feel exactly the opposite. I fear for the country should these two get elected.
In addition, lets not forget that when Saddam marched into Kuwait in August of 1990, Joe Biden voted against the use of military force to remove Saddam's military from Kuwait. Even the French supported military action and sent a light infantry division to support the military operation to remove Saddam from Kuwait. Biden voted the same way that Yemen and Cuba did in the UN Security Council, against the use of military force to remove Saddam from Kuwait.
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Can someone tell me why Democrats are supposedly pleased with Biden's foreign policy experience? He voted for the Iraq War, and Obama has been continuously talking about how it never should have been authorized or waged. He held that over Hillary's head all through the primaries, yet how can he picks someone with, by his own words, such bad judgment as his running mate? I don't get it.


Well, for starters, I'm disappointed he originally supported the Iraq war. Most of Congress did at that point, and I'm not holding it against any of them, Republican or Democrat. They were given faulty evidence by the CIA and were put under a great deal of pressure to either support the war or seem unAmerican. It doesn't excuse this mistake, but it's something that I can live with, especially when he's now clear about this mistake. He is Chairman of the Senate Foreign Relations committee, and as such are very well-versed in the politics and current events of countries all over the world. Here's an article with a little more background.
Biden Brings Long Foreign Policy Experience to Obama's Presidential Bid - US News and World Report
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Well, Barack Obama has not officially ruled out the use of military force against Iran.
I didn't say that. However, he has made clear he would try diplomatic efforts first and use military force only as a last resort. Anyone, anyone who would ever do anything otherwise is an idiot at best and a complete monster at worst.
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