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Old 09-06-2009, 05:50 PM   #16
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I will go on the record now with:

The movement to get out will grow, to where more people want us out than want us in.
The vast majority of those registered as Democrats already feel this way. Looks like Barack Obama is starting to have more in common with the people who voted against him rather than the people who voted him into office.



According to Gallup, 56% of Democrats think that US military intervention in Afghanistan was a mistake.

One wonders if they have considered the consequences of not intervening as well as pulling out pre-maturely.

http://www.gallup.com/poll/121727/Am...ghanistan.aspx
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Old 09-06-2009, 06:02 PM   #17
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Most of the people I talk to on a daily basis are GOP.

and when they go on about Obama,
their only real gripe right now is that he might do with health care.

when I talk to them about Iraq, Iran, Afghanistan, Pakistan, China, North Korea, torture pictures, Business interests, DOMA they pretty much agree that Obama has not done anything radical yet
and that his policies have been on par with what Bush was doing when he left office.

So yes, it is correct to say since he took office he has steered a very safe, status-quo course.
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well in 2012 they can teach everyone a big lesson and vote for Ralph Nader (worked like charm in 2000)

and then we will get 8 years with Dick Cheney as President.
Ralph Nader is not a good choice because he is a poor politician. I think he has done some great policy work over the years, but he is not fit to govern, and especially not on a national level.

It isn't about teaching people a lesson; it is about voting for somebody who will fight for the progressive ideals that you believe in. There is no such person in US politics at the moment (nationally speaking), and hasn't been in a long, long time. Nothing new, really.
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It isn't about teaching people a lesson; it is about voting for somebody who will fight for the progressive ideals that you believe in. There is no such person in US politics at the moment (nationally speaking), and hasn't been in a long, long time. Nothing new, really.
If Obama isn't that person, one of our most liberal former senators...

do you think America would elect someone even more progressive as president? I don't.
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If Obama isn't that person, one of our most liberal former senators...

do you think America would elect someone even more progressive as president? I don't.
The money only got behind Obama when he promised he would maintain the status quo.
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Democratic Advantage in Party Affiliation Shrinks
Gap now 5 points, down from 17 in January

by Jeffrey M. Jones

PRINCETON, NJ -- In August, an average of 45% of Americans identified as Democrats or leaned to the Democratic Party, while 40% identified as Republicans or leaned to the Republican Party. This 5-point advantage represents a decided narrowing of the gap between the parties from the 17-point Democratic advantage in January.

These results are based on aggregated data from Gallup Daily tracking, consisting of roughly 30,000 interviews with U.S. adults each month. Gallup has observed a similar trend of a declining Democratic advantage in party identification in its 2009 cross-sectional surveys.

The total of 45% current Democratic support derives from 34% of Americans who identify as Democrats and 11% who identify as independents but say they lean to the Democratic Party. The Republican Party's 40% support total includes 28% Republican identifiers and 12% Republican-leaning independents.

Democratic Advantage in Party Affiliation Shrinks
From 2005-2008, whenever polls negative towards Bush were mentioned, you told us the result of the 2004 Presidential election was the only result that mattered.
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The money only got behind Obama when he promised he would maintain the status quo.
I remember 'change' and "remake America," but not status quo. Status quo would have been another Clinton.
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I remember 'change' and "remake America," but not status quo. Status quo would have been another Clinton.
the money ends up behind the lead horse. nevertheless, has obama done anything to fundamentally alter the status quo? no, i don't think so.
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the money ends up behind the lead horse. nevertheless, has obama done anything to fundamentally alter the status quo? no, i don't think so.
Early days mate, early days.
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the money ends up behind the lead horse. nevertheless, has obama done anything to fundamentally alter the status quo? no, i don't think so.
Um, he is indoctrinating the chirrun with socialism and tried to have his death panel kill Sarah Palin's grandmother, plus he tore up the Constitution when he became a Kenyan-born preznit.

That's a LOT.
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Early days mate, early days.
i think it's funny that conservatives expect more from this president than progressives, socialists, et al. at this point.
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tried to have his death panel kill Sarah Palin's grandmother
yeah, that was a bold maneuver.
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Um, he is indoctrinating the chirrun with socialism and tried to have his death panel kill Sarah Palin's grandmother, plus he tore up the Constitution when he became a Kenyan-born preznit.

That's a LOT.
Ownership by the federal government of two car companies and nine national banks isn't status quo. Not in this country anyway.
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Ownership by the federal government of two car companies and nine national banks isn't status quo. Not in this country anyway.
This ownership of the two car companies rant seems a bit pointless

what was he supposed to do?


One would think he nationalized perfectly healthy private companies for no reason at all, like dictators do in communist or socialist countries
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This ownership of the two car companies rant seems a bit pointless

what was he supposed to do?

Let the companies fail, and then watch as all the offshoot companies (their suppliers, etc) failed too, and then unemployment numbers would have reached even more frighteningly higher than they already have, and the economy would have tanked even further, and taken even longer to dig out from.

Obviously. Those companies needed to be taught a lesson! Duh.
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