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Old 06-09-2010, 08:47 PM   #211
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She's too busy PMing other posters about how hard she's going to slap them.
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Old 06-10-2010, 11:49 AM   #212
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he is old school

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in the slot. (or box)
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Old 06-11-2010, 11:24 AM   #214
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Old 06-11-2010, 01:06 PM   #215
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What really happens aboard a 'cougar cruise'? - USATODAY.com

One of the comments. The house cleaner/ laundry sounds like the best part

I am a cougar, 43, and proud of it. I date a younger man and I spoil him rotten. In return I get great sex, a house cleaner, a chef, personal chauffeur and a man who dotes on my every word ( he even does my laundry, folds it and puts it away).. Oh, and he works 10 hours shifts too! I am successful and run my own company. In the last three years that we have been together I have taken him on four two week cruises and on many luxurious vacations. I am a woman who knows what she wants and who normally gets it. I give a lot of credit to my lover because it is obvious by reading here that so many men are intimidated by a sexually aware woman who has money. What a shame. You have no idea what you are missing!
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Old 06-11-2010, 01:30 PM   #216
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[i]I am a cougar, 43, and proud of it. I date a younger man and I spoil him rotten. In return I get great sex, a house cleaner, a chef, personal chauffeur and a man who dotes on my every word ( he even does my laundry, folds it and puts it away)..
Once I told a friend that I wanted a house husband and she said "You don't want a house husband, you want a man servant. A mervant!"
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Old 06-11-2010, 01:30 PM   #217
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I love that

He can wear a hot guy version of a French maid outfit too

I don't have money so forget it, I'm out

The captain of the US soccer team would make a great mervant-he can just wear his soccer uni

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The End of Men - Magazine - The Atlantic

This article is long but so worth reading as it really brings home the struggle of men to adapt to changing gender roles and the resulting effect on families and society.

A number of things jumped out at me, and there is a section dedicated to the mainstreaming of cougars (even in Japan), but rather than quote tons of paragraphs here, this is the one that is not fully explored in the article, but definitely worth more consideration.

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But Edin thinks the most compelling theory is that marriage has disappeared because women are setting the terms—and setting them too high for the men around them to reach.
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Old 06-11-2010, 05:21 PM   #219
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The End of Men - Magazine - The Atlantic

This article is long but so worth reading as it really brings home the struggle of men to adapt to changing gender roles and the resulting effect on families and society.

A number of things jumped out at me, and there is a section dedicated to the mainstreaming of cougars (even in Japan), but rather than quote tons of paragraphs here, this is the one that is not fully explored in the article, but definitely worth more consideration.

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But Edin thinks the most compelling theory is that marriage has disappeared because women are setting the terms—and setting them too high for the men around them to reach.
One could also flip that on its head -- I wonder if, with the mainstreaming of pornography, men have a similar "standards problem".

The gap between fantasy and reality seems to get wider, and I wonder if part of it is the struggle to remember that relationships are composed of real people, with real issues and real needs. And isn't the ability to relate to one another what makes relationships work?
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Bingo, nathan. Can't argue with you on that. The problem seems to be that both sexes think they can "change" each other into the types of people they think they should be, and that never works. Not unless the person wants to change themselves.

Very interesting article there. This sounded familiar:

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Meanwhile, modern women shunned farm life, lured away by jobs and adventure in the city. They occasionally returned for the traditional balls, but the men who awaited them had lost their prestige and become unmarriageable
Sounds an awful lot like what happens here nowadays, where it seems girls won't even look at a guy unless they have a steady job (not to say farming isn't a good form of work, but it can be a little more uncertain) and nice car and that sort of thing. It seems to be the fear that men will become too needy towards the women, women don't want to feel like, "So should I have kids, I'll have to parent them and you, too?"

Should I get married, I don't ever want to feel like I'm dependent on my husband or have him feel like he's dependent on me. I want both of us to be making a decent living so we can both have the necessities and luxuries that life provides. I don't care who's making more than whom, and I hope that my husband wouldn't care about that, either. I just want us both to be making enough so we're not worrying about where our next meal's coming from, or whether or not we can pay the rent, or what we're able to get for any children we may have.

The thing that I found rather disturbing in that video was the talk about parents being able to choose the kinds of children they want. I've never understood that. Shouldn't the most important thing you ask for in your child be that they're born healthy? Boy or girl, I'm not picky. If I ever have kids, all I ask is that they are happy and healthy and go on to lead fulfilling lives, and that they treat everyone around them with decency and respect.

The article's discussion of the changing of the guard in terms of running things reminded me of a really funny bit from yesterday's "The Daily Show"-I'll have to go find the link and share it here later.

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Old 06-11-2010, 09:38 PM   #221
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What really happens aboard a 'cougar cruise'? - USATODAY.com

One of the comments. The house cleaner/ laundry sounds like the best part

I am a cougar, 43, and proud of it. I date a younger man and I spoil him rotten. In return I get great sex, a house cleaner, a chef, personal chauffeur and a man who dotes on my every word ( he even does my laundry, folds it and puts it away).. Oh, and he works 10 hours shifts too! I am successful and run my own company. In the last three years that we have been together I have taken him on four two week cruises and on many luxurious vacations. I am a woman who knows what she wants and who normally gets it. I give a lot of credit to my lover because it is obvious by reading here that so many men are intimidated by a sexually aware woman who has money. What a shame. You have no idea what you are missing!
Sounds like you're applauding a relationship based on exploitation.
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Old 06-12-2010, 12:13 AM   #222
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^ Not, of course, the circumstances of the relationship itself, but the working 10 hour days also, is what I mean.
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Old 06-12-2010, 01:45 PM   #223
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Knowing Mrs. S , I'm pretty sure she isn't applauding any exploitation. Just because Mrs. S posts something, doesn't mean she's giving it the "Mrs Springsteen Seal of Approval". Just a topic for discussion.

I'm always delighted when somebody posts a thread where I don't know exactly what everybody's response is likely to be, something that the ideologue handbook for either side doesn't have covered. Even if you can guess how somebody's going to respond, it has a more personal feel and there are always surprises or perspectives or stories or analyses I haven't seen before ad infinitum.

Anyway, it's the running joke that what every tired woman needs is a housewife.

('Course the exploitation of which you speak sounds pretty much the life of the working wife.)

I have a distaste for unequal boy-toy or girl-toy relationships. So I'm not liking the tone of some of these cougar websites. But I also don't like the more frequent than I like generalization that any woman involved with a younger man is by definition a cougar. And that is probably the double standard many of the women here object to.
It's such a predatory word.

Men have always defined their own sexuality. I think too that many of them have also tried to define women's sexuality or , if not to define it, to set the parameters for it. I think it makes some men uncomfortable that they too might be perceived to have a shelf life for their desirability. God knows, it has made women uncomfortable for all time.

I find men of all ages interesting, but I'm probably most attracted to men close to my own age (a few years older, a few years younger). Young men do flirt well, though and it's flattering.

Have any other women noticed that younger men seem to flirt better than the older, even unmarried ones? Maybe men think younger women flirt better too? Flirting is its own art form.
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Old 06-12-2010, 01:47 PM   #224
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I date a younger woman and I spoil her rotten. In return I get great sex, a house cleaner, a chef, personal chauffeur and a woman who dotes on my every word (she even does my laundry, folds it and puts it away).. Oh, and she works 10 hours shifts too! I am successful and run my own company. In the last three years that we have been together I have taken her on four two week cruises and on many luxurious vacations. I am a man who knows what he wants and who normally gets it. I give a lot of credit to my lover because it is obvious by reading here that so many women are intimidated by a sexually aware man who has money. What a shame. You have no idea what you are missing!


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Old 06-12-2010, 03:49 PM   #225
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Not about cougars or sugar daddies, but relevant perhaps to some of the issues touched on in the thread:

NATASHA WALTER: The disturbing new trend of women as objects of sexual violence is tedious - and very dangerous - misogyny | Mail Online
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