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Old 11-30-2011, 07:13 PM   #1
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Conservatism is dying - because conservatives are too good-mannered and nuanced

A columnist of the right gives both barrels to liberals, Islamofascists and, most of all, moderate conservatives:

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Conservatism is dead in Britain — as it is in Europe, as it is in most of the world — and if you want to know what the problem is, a good place to start is the one where I’ve just been: the David Horowitz Restoration Weekend in Palm Beach, Florida.

Horowitz is a prominent US activist, author and intellectual whose Freedom Center, if you didn’t know better, you might assume was a conservative think tank. But it’s not. As Horowitz reminded us on the first night of our three-day palm-fringed extravaganza of cocktails, fine cuisine, and sound conservatism courtesy of Mark Steyn, Ann Coulter, Herman Cain, Allen West, Baroness Cox, Bernie Goldberg, Douglas Murray and, ahem, James Delingpole, ‘We’re not a think tank. We’re a battle tank.’

And Horowitz is right of course, as he has been since the early Eighties, which is the moment he converted from cradle socialism (his parents were communists — or ‘progressives’, as so many of their ilk generously styled themselves) to Reagan conservatism. What Horowitz understands, as far too many do not, is that western civilisation is facing its greatest crisis since the second world war; that this trouble has been brewing for decades; and that if we lose this war we lose everything: our freedom; our livelihoods; our culture; our future; our very existence.
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If this sounds extreme to some readers — and it will, even in The Spectator, which says it all really — let’s consider briefly the state of the world right now. The USA, bastion of the free world, is on the brink of collapse. Its economy is $15 trillion in debt, brought low by out-of-control Keynesian deficit spending, itself the response to a crisis generated in part by a suicidal scheme to make mortgages available to people who could never afford to pay them back, exacerbated by the ever more burdensome encroachment of the state on the private sector.

In the Middle East, the only stable, productive democracy in the region is assailed on all sides by Islamofascist failed states hellbent on destroying it. And instead of standing up for their only friend in this strategically vital region, its former western allies nitpick over settlements and borders, because that way they won’t have to feel so bad when the Iranians nuke it off the map.
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What applies to Glenn Beck in the US is true over here of Douglas Murray and ‘Mad’ Mel Phillips (‘Mad’ being the favourite dismissal for awkward truth-tellers, in much the same way that all those who predicted the EU and the euro were going to be a disaster were called ‘swivel-eyed’ and ‘barmy’) and Peter Hitchens and others I’m far too modest to name. We’re hated by our own because we’re a daily reminder of what cowardly, loathsome ideological sell-outs the rest of our kind are.

Still, I asked Horowitz, who understands the Gramsci culture war better than anyone on the planet, whether there was any room for emollience of the kind ‘pragmatic’ conservatives advocate? ‘Sure there is. Politics is an art,’ he says, sounding for a second worryingly moderate. ‘If you’re adopting a mellow tone to deceive your enemies that’s good, if it’s a Trojan horse that’s fine. But if you’re just doing it to make yourself liked, that’s Stockholm Syndrome.’


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Old 11-30-2011, 08:45 PM   #2
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I'll wait until after the election is won. If Obama loses and Republicans actually implement austerity packages then I'll be optimistic. If neither of those things occur then the U.S. will head towards European style socialism. The debt is too big and taxes WILL be raised. Then when the taxes are raised not all of it will go to the debt and much of it will simply increase the size of government further. At that point you can see the future.
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"In the Middle East, the only stable, productive democracy in the region is assailed on all sides by Islamofascist failed states hellbent on destroying it. And instead of standing up for their only friend in this strategically vital region, its former western allies nitpick over settlements and borders, because that way they won’t have to feel so bad when the Iranians nuke it off the map."




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Conservatives and nuance, that's laughable. Obviously he's not talking about America.
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Guys, if we could just eliminate all the progressives and hippies and dropouts and deviants and freaks and jacobins and islamofascists, sikhs, communists, feminazis, moderate conservatives, lawyers, community organisers, moderate conservatives, socialist pinkos and moderate conservatives... then truly heaven on earth would have been realised.
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I'll wait until after the election is won. If Obama loses and Republicans actually implement austerity packages then I'll be optimistic.
You might want to check into how England was doing with austerity with those mass summer riots.

They'll soon be coming to your hometown's high street (that's English for main street).
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I'll wait until after the election is won. If Obama loses and Republicans actually implement austerity packages then I'll be optimistic. If neither of those things occur then the U.S. will head towards European style socialism. The debt is too big and taxes WILL be raised. Then when the taxes are raised not all of it will go to the debt and much of it will simply increase the size of government further. At that point you can see the future.
I don't think you know what socialism is.
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I don't think you know what socialism is.
It's not just a catchphrase used by those that can't think for themselves on the right?
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You might want to check into how England was doing with austerity with those mass summer riots.

They'll soon be coming to your hometown's high street (that's English for main street).
Yeah because if people complain about fiscal discipline the politicians should just cave, right? Haven't you been watching Greece, Italy, and Spain?

There's two choices: Fiscal austerity and bankruptcy. Most of those protestors are related to government jobs or benefits and OBVIOUSLY have a self-interest in loading the costs onto the non-government sector which will pay less tax if they don't have profits and if workers don't have jobs they will also pay less tax. So where is the money for social benefits?

When your credit cards are maxed out does it make sense to borrow more? As much as for the individual it will matter for ALL organizations including companies and governments to aim for balanced budgets and to pay some of the overall debt so when another recession occurs there actually is some room for deficits.
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I don't think you know what socialism is.
That's better.
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Guys, if we could just eliminate all the progressives and hippies and dropouts and deviants and freaks and jacobins and islamofascists, sikhs, communists, feminazis, moderate conservatives, lawyers, community organisers, moderate conservatives, socialist pinkos and moderate conservatives... then truly heaven on earth would have been realised.
Actually that's what left thinks about conservatives. What joke!
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That's better.
Care to define it?
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Care to define it?
What I'm talking about is how Europe has more social programs and trade barriers than the U.S. The GDP in the hands of all levels of government is larger. If the U.S. goes on the path of higher taxes, barriers and more regulation they will be imitating Europe and the consequences will be the same. Slower growth, shrinking middle class, weaker military. More and more middle class workers will be government workers, not private sector workers. Considering government is not as productive as the private sector that will not be good for the standard of living. Obviously many countries in Europe are more socialist than the U.S. and they also rely on the U.S.'s military spending so they can spend more on programs and wag their finger at the U.S.

Being pedantic about the term of socialism (when there are so many versions) is a distraction from the topic. If you want to define socialism in one category you'll be too general. If the U.S. imitates Europe they'll be like Europe. What's so hard to understand?
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Being pedantic about the term of socialism (when there are so many versions) is a distraction from the topic. If you want to define socialism in one category you'll be too general. If the U.S. imitates Europe they'll be like Europe. What's so hard to understand?
Not really, there is only one 'socialism', that being with the workers controlling the means of production. I think what you're trying to get at is the welfare state.

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