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Old 02-17-2009, 06:32 PM   #16
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I've been following this in the Times. I wish the prof had handled it more professionally, because I'm really sick and tired of this kind of bullshit hiding behind God and "freedom of speech." If this little fucker had gotten up and made this kind of speech about intermarriage between Jews and Christians, I doubt that there would be Dobson and his pals rushing to this kid's defense. At least not so publicly, anyway.
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And you apparently aren't alone.

"fascist bastard"
"this student should have to pay some price for preaching hate in the classroom."
"this little fucker"
"prejudiced moron."
"the little idiot"

The love and tolerance from the Angry-Left again overwhelms me.
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Old 02-17-2009, 06:36 PM   #17
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And you apparently aren't alone.

"fascist bastard"
"this student should have to pay some price for preaching hate in the classroom."
"this little fucker"
"prejudiced moron."
"the little idiot"

The love and tolerance from the Angry-Left again overwhelms me.


i see no reason to love and tolerate those who seek my social death.
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Old 02-17-2009, 06:40 PM   #18
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And you apparently aren't alone.

"fascist bastard"
"this student should have to pay some price for preaching hate in the classroom."
"this little fucker"
"prejudiced moron."
"the little idiot"

The love and tolerance from the Angry-Left again overwhelms me.
You should go quote some Rush and few of the other idiots who give Conservatism (and Christianity) a bad name.

Or should I do that then attribute those quotes to you?
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Old 02-17-2009, 07:46 PM   #19
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and, further, every last one of us loves and tolerates this little idiot's right to say whatever he wants.
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Old 02-17-2009, 08:04 PM   #20
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this ad appeared in the Salt Lake City Tribune.








and they say that homophobia is different from racism. ha.
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Old 02-17-2009, 08:12 PM   #21
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And you apparently aren't alone.

"fascist bastard"
"this student should have to pay some price for preaching hate in the classroom."
"this little fucker"
"prejudiced moron."
"the little idiot"

The love and tolerance from the Angry-Left again overwhelms me.
Angry BECAUSE of oppression, BECAUSE of hate... can you not see the difference?
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Old 02-17-2009, 08:13 PM   #22
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this ad appeared in the Salt Lake City Tribune.








and they say that homophobia is different from racism. ha.
That was in a newspaper? Wow, progression much? I don't think so.
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That was in a newspaper? Wow, progression much? I don't think so.


name me any other minority who would be targeted like this? and name me a national newspaper who would run the ad?

but, hey, i guess i better love and tolerate these people because they're just expressing their religious beliefs, and that's what this country was founded on of course.
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name me any other minority who would be targeted like this? and name me a national newspaper who would run the ad?

but, hey, i guess i better love and tolerate these people because they're just expressing their religious beliefs, and that's what this country was founded on of course.
I can't believe a newspaper could get away with that - it's promoting hate crime, simple as

The "you're on the left and should respect my opinion to bash your opinion!" wears a bit thin after a while, especially when it's our way of lives being targeted... not theirs.
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And you apparently aren't alone.

The love and tolerance from the Angry-Left again overwhelms me.
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this ad appeared in the Salt Lake City Tribune.






Indy, it appears you're not alone either. Where's the love here?
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I can't believe a newspaper could get away with that - it's promoting hate crime, simple as

The "you're on the left and should respect my opinion to bash your opinion!" wears a bit thin after a while, especially when it's our way of lives being targeted... not theirs.
Your brand of soft totalitarian liberalism disturbs me quite a bit, it winds back free speech rights.
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No offence wanderer but you're talking about people's lives here.

It's not fucking totalitarianism to hit back when people say you shouldn't exist.

Soft totalitarianism? Is that a bit like 'political correctness gone mad'?

The lesson here is that, yes, free speech does matter, and no, I wouldn't side with elements that really do want to shut down debate... unfortunately the hard right's very canny adoption of freedom and choice arguments is precisely intended to exclude, shut down and silence (or at least demonise). The endlessly, unutterably tedious (though I understand they have to happen) gay debates are one instance.
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The right to hold and voice an opinion is a part of my life, my religious and social attitudes depend on it, I would put those rights on par with sexual liberties, in fact I would say they are quite well connected.

I am not saying that somebody who wants to censor in the name of social cohesion and equality is malicious, I am saying that it is a slippery slope and it gives a precedence for other groups. It also justifies bigots when they claim the homosexuals are out to silence them and fuels their paranoid delusions (filtered through to the world via talk radio and blogs).

And that reply was not simply in reaction to a one off statement, these same issues were raised in response to a lame comedian joking about Islam.
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Your brand of soft totalitarian liberalism disturbs me quite a bit, it winds back free speech rights.
No, it's just what I'm used to - I'm always so shocked at stuff people post in here, and it's because we have such tight laws in Britain against inciting racial hatred, against hate crimes and hate speech... that I'm genuinely shocked to see that in a newspaper. A leaflet distributed by some small group, perhaps, but not a newspaper.

I don't agree with this argument at all. If anyone is inciting hatred towards any ethnic group or minority, then I don't think there's a time or a place for it in the public domain.
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No offence wanderer but you're talking about people's lives here.

It's not fucking totalitarianism to hit back when people say you shouldn't exist.

Soft totalitarianism? Is that a bit like 'political correctness gone mad'?
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