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Old 09-30-2010, 08:51 AM   #16
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Unless you own a time machine, that's probably a bit of a stretch

I'd say this generation is more tolerant of homosexuality than any (modern) generation and that's awesome. But there will always been the ignorant pricks, no matter what the generation

No, I don't and you are probably right. Even in this age of technology, I still wouldn't have done it. Envading one's privacy is bad enough, but exposing it on the web. Is excusable.
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Makes me absolutely ill too-complete lack of caring for the feelings and rights of another human being. All of these social networks are just a new avenue for it. I have no interest in any of it and stories like this just reaffirm that. I think it detaches and dehumanizes, and brings out those types of qualities in people who would have them regardless-in a way it emboldens them.

Don't know how they're going to live with that for the rest of their lives
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Bullying isn't just for high school and college anymore:

Assistant attorney general blogs against gay student body president - CNN

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For nearly six months, Andrew Shirvell, an assistant attorney general for the state of Michigan, has waged an internet campaign against college student Chris Armstrong, the openly gay student assembly president at the University of Michigan in Ann Arbor.


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Among other things, Shirvell has published blog posts that accuse Armstrong of going back on a campaign promise he made to minority students; engaging in "flagrant sexual promiscuity" with another male member of the student government; sexually seducing and influencing "a previously conservative [male] student" so much so that the student, according to Shirvell, "morphed into a proponent of the radical homosexual agenda;" hosting a gay orgy in his dorm room in October 2009; and trying to recruit incoming first year students "to join the homosexual 'lifestyle.' "
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Old 09-30-2010, 10:18 AM   #19
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This story really, really bothers me.
I am just stunned about this. My heart goes out to this boy's family.
Suicide is the most heartbreaking thing, especially for a boy as young as 18.
This boy did nothing wrong, and now his life is over, because of two fucking assholes who should be put away for a long time, if not forevever.

I'm sorry for sounding upset, but this really bothers me. I feel so sad that he had to kill himself because of two immature people who have no sense of morals or decency. The two assholes wanted to get their kicks, and now a boy is dead, because he was probably ashamed. My God, I am just so livid about this. I wish I could have been there to help that boy and convince him that taking your own life, simply because you were embarrassed, is not the answer.

This is one of the most upsetting stories I have ever heard in my life. And sadly, this is not the first time young people have killed themselves because of bullying.
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You know, humiliation in social circles is nothing new, and although I feel horrible for the kid's family, at the same time I have no sympathy for someone who kills himself, no matter how bad it is.


considering gay kids are 4x more likely to commit suicide than straight kids, and 9 out of 10 gay kids report being harassed, you don't think a modicum of sympathy is in order here?

homophobia continues to kill.
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considering gay kids are 4x more likely to commit suicide than straight kids, and 9 out of 10 gay kids report being harassed, you don't think a modicum of sympathy is in order here?

homophobia continues to kill.
Absolutely. That aspect of this tragedy is even more important than the social media aspect. Would this have even happened if he had been in bed with a woman?
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^ That's what I was thinking/wondering. Did he kill himself because of the sex tape, or because his sexual partner was a man?
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I just meant would they have even posted and used a camera? He posted "I saw him making out with a dude. Yay" So that would be the homophobia aspect.
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From an AP article

ABC News and The Star-Ledger of Newark reported that Clementi left on his Facebook page on Sept. 22 a note that read: "Jumping off the gw bridge sorry." On Wednesday, his Facebook page was accessible only to friends.

Even if the young violinist from Ridgewood was not well known at his new school, his death stirred outrage.

"The notion that video of Tyler doing what he was doing can be considered a spectacle is just heinous," said Jordan Gochman, 19, of Jackson, who didn't know Clementi. "It's intolerant, it's upsetting, it makes it seem that being gay is something that is wrong and can be considered laughable."

Other students who did know Clementi were upset that they didn't do more to help him. "I wish I could have been more of an ally," said Georges Richa, a freshman from New Brunswick.

About 100 people gathered Wednesday night for a vigil on campus. They lay on the ground and chanted slogans like, "We're here, we're queer, we're not going home."

Several gay rights groups linked Clementi's death to the troubling phenomenon of young people committing suicide after being harassed over their sexuality.

On Tuesday, a 13-year-old California boy died nine days after classmates found him hanging from a tree. Authorities say other teens had taunted the boy, Seth Walsh of Tehachapi, for being gay.

Steven Goldstein, chairman of Garden State Equality, said in a statement that his group considers Clementi's death a hate crime.

"We are heartbroken over the tragic loss of a young man who, by all accounts, was brilliant, talented and kind," Goldstein said. "And we are sickened that anyone in our society, such as the students allegedly responsible for making the surreptitious video, might consider destroying others' lives as a sport."

Last week, Dan Savage, a columnist at the Seattle weekly newspaper The Stranger, launched the latest of several efforts to try to stem the problem: the It Gets Better Project, a YouTube channel where gay, lesbian and bisexual adults share the turmoil they experienced when they were younger - and that their lives are better now.

In response to Clementi's death and other incidents, the group Parents, Families & Friends of Lesbians and Gays said it would issue a "call to action" on the subject on Thursday.
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I just meant would they have even posted and used a camera? He posted "I saw him making out with a dude. Yay" So that would be the homophobia aspect.
True...or maybe they would have filmed it but then laughed about it (in which case the girl would probably be the damaged on.....)
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considering gay kids are 4x more likely to commit suicide than straight kids, and 9 out of 10 gay kids report being harassed, you don't think a modicum of sympathy is in order here?

homophobia continues to kill.

Sadly that is very true, Irvine.

Both of my grown kids who happen to be heterosexual were never allowed to make fun of other children while growing up. My husband and I would not have tolerated "bullying". Words are just as hurtful as actions. Neither our daughter or son were bullies. Making both of them quite popular when they were at school. They were taught to be respectful and accepting of all others. Nasty words were never used in our home. A good friend of my son and his wife, is a lesbian. They love her and couldn't care less about her sexual orientation.

I think it is horrible what was done to this young man. To video tape and show on the web. What are private moments? It should be illegal. I doubt if the young man gave his consent. It's no joke when actions, words deeply hurt another. Would anyone of us want to be made fun of. For simply being who were are? I wouldn't.

P.S. In my above post. I meant to say "inexcusible." It was a typing mistake on my part.
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Makes me absolutely ill too-complete lack of caring for the feelings and rights of another human being. All of these social networks are just a new avenue for it. I have no interest in any of it and stories like this just reaffirm that. I think it detaches and dehumanizes, and brings out those types of qualities in people who would have them regardless-in a way it emboldens them.

Don't know how they're going to live with that for the rest of their lives

I agree 100%. Where is respect and compassion for another human being? And I agree with Joerags. These cruel actions make me very sick to my stomach.

I am in my fifties and was never a bully. I still run into people from my school days. They always say hello and how are you. Even people I didn't know too well. Will speak to me and say it is good to see you again.

Something to think about for the young folks. Do you want people to remember you as being a nice person or someone who was a complete jerk? The choice is yours.
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^ That's what I was thinking/wondering. Did he kill himself because of the sex tape, or because his sexual partner was a man?


no one will really know, but probably because he was outed long before he was officially ready, and then to have that broadcast -- it's an unimaginable double-whammy of humiliation.

also, i wish that Michigan assistant AG would just admit his gigantic crush on the school president.
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My hope is that while we're rethinking privacy due to social media, the exposure of cruelty will be so harshly criticized and punished, publically, that it will therefore perhaps, be diminished. Being an asshole will now stick to you for the rest of your life.

A new scarlet letter "A".
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Yes I'm sure he was just using it for room security. Why not just talk to your roommate if you have any concerns about strangers being in your room? The posts don't exactly fit that scenario anyway. The snarky "gotcha" sneaky tone is fairly evident.


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Although Vice President for Student Affairs Gregory S. Blimling refused to confirm or deny reports about the case or the students involved, he said there are consequences for such behavior at the University.

"The [University] Code of Student Conduct has an element that says that students may not do unauthorized videotaping or recording of other students," he said. "So that would violate the Code of Student Conduct."

The University's Code of Student Conduct outlines penalties ranging from reprimanding students to permanent expulsion, Blimling said.

Depending on the circumstances, the administrative hearing officer and Office of Student Conduct may determine the punishment, or a student can opt to have a hearing before a committee that will make a recommendation as to how the University should respond, he said.

"Our goal in dealing with any student who is involved in dealing with any kind of issue of student conduct is an educational goal, is to help them understand how their behavior would have affected other people and get them to change that behavior and learn from other people," Blimling said.

But Blimling said no one should draw conclusions from hearsay.

"So often when reports of any kind surface, that information that comes out initially is misconstrued by the media," he said. "So I would not believe everything that the media has currently published."

Some residents of Davidson Hall, who wished to remain anonymous but are close to Ravi, agree with Blimling's idea. They say the media has distorted the story.

"No one knows [what really happened,]" one student said.

Neighbors in Davidson Hall said Ravi is a friendly, funny young man with a good heart, who would not purposefully hurt anyone.

"He's a good guy who made a poor decision," one student said.

Students said Clementi asked his roommate Ravi to leave the room so that he could have time alone with a guest on the evening of Sept. 19.

A strange, older male later arrived at the room, they said. Ravi went to Wei's room, where he used a computer to access footage of the room from his webcam, they said.

Ravi had no intention of witnessing any kind of intimate encounter between the two, but rather wanted to see if anything unusual was taking place inside his room, as he was not familiar with Clementi's guest, they said.

"He just wanted to see what was going on," a student said.

Upon seeing what was taking place inside the room, Ravi immediately closed the window on the screen, the student said.

A similar series of events took place on the evening of Sept. 21, and Ravi then stayed in another friend's room for the night, a student said.

No footage of either encounter was recorded or broadcast, students said.

"[Ravi] had no intention to violate Tyler in any way," a student said.
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