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Old 07-06-2010, 05:50 PM   #121
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Interesting that you didn't need an absolute consensus on WMDs, very telling
Nobody is saying that's not an intelligence error and it costs less than worldwide cap and trade and Iraq is a free country now. You seem to want to keep reducing the military down to fund other social programs you like. I would agree with that if there were no dictatorships, but alas that isn't the case.

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But we're not just talking about plants.
Then make your claims. Don't say animals. Say which animals and how and show the study. I know that some people talk about ocean acidification but that is still being hotly debated right now. Al Gore's acid oceans is bullshit along with his Cuba disappearing off the map.

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I have, and it's already saved me money.
How? Tokenism won't work. Remember CO2 has to be greatly decreased if you believe this is an emergency.

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You should become one of those clowns that make animal balloons at the circus, because you're awesome at twisting things.
I don't have to twist anything. I'm not making outlandish alarmist claims about CO2. BTW there are ongoing studies of CO2 being made now that are to improve computer models. That's just another reason why we should get the science right. Any responses based on old inaccurate models should not happen.

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So the answer is no. So this whole "green jobs where people get paid to do nothing" is just another conservative alinsky type talking point?
You really want high unemployment don't you? Why can't we just continue to finance new technologies so when they fail (some of them will) we don't have a world government and trillions of dollars invested? Economic resources aren't unlimited. Once a promising technology is developed plenty of capital will chase it. Solar and wind are deadends. The most notable green technology that has hope in 30 years is nuclear fusion. Even then we would still use some fossil fuels but probably a lot less. In the meantime people need jobs and the more your president ignores that the more likely he'll have an opposing congress forcing him to realise it.
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Old 07-06-2010, 06:16 PM   #122
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You seem to want to keep reducing the military down to fund other social programs you like.
No, I'm just saying be consistent with your conservative ideals otherwise you're a hypocrite

Climate change is a "social program"?

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Then make your claims. Don't say animals. Say which animals and how and show the study.
You can't be serious. What?!


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How? Tokenism won't work. Remember CO2 has to be greatly decreased if you believe this is an emergency.
Well I know it has to be greatly decreased... But all I know is that my utility bill is less than half of all my neighbors



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Solar and wind are deadends.
Only a fool would say this, I don't know how you can when you've actually posted sources saying the opposite.

A big portion of West Texas is being ran on wind right now with very little supplemental energy and no subsidized money. The technology will only get better, smaller, and cheaper. It's not a deadend for the places that have the ability to harness wind or sun. You have to get out of this mindset that we all need the same exact energy source.
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"Climate change is a "social program"?

The 2 men who wrote it, Maurice Strong and Robert Muller says it is a social program .

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No, I'm just saying be consistent with your conservative ideals otherwise you're a hypocrite

Climate change is a "social program"?

Ridiculous



You can't be serious. What?!




Well I know it has to be greatly decreased... But all I know is that my utility bill is less than half of all my neighbors





Only a fool would say this, I don't know how you can when you've actually posted sources saying the opposite.

A big portion of West Texas is being ran on wind right now with very little supplemental energy and no subsidized money. The technology will only get better, smaller, and cheaper. It's not a deadend for the places that have the ability to harness wind or sun. You have to get out of this mindset that we all need the same exact energy source.
Source? They have smart grids in Bum F Texas? No Subsidized money ?

prove that .
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No, I'm just saying be consistent with your conservative ideals otherwise you're a hypocrite

Climate change is a "social program"?

Ridiculous



You can't be serious. What?!




Well I know it has to be greatly decreased... But all I know is that my utility bill is less than half of all my neighbors





Only a fool would say this, I don't know how you can when you've actually posted sources saying the opposite.

A big portion of West Texas is being ran on wind right now with very little supplemental energy and no subsidized money. The technology will only get better, smaller, and cheaper. It's not a deadend for the places that have the ability to harness wind or sun. You have to get out of this mindset that we all need the same exact energy source.

so on those beautiful lands, maybe outside Maurices house, there are going to be 3 million arces of Solar Panels and windmills? Great land preservation.

Hell man, even the Kennedy's didnt want windmills outside their windows.
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Old 07-06-2010, 06:28 PM   #126
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I don't get it.
The masseuse who says that Al Gore sexually attacked/assaulted her in 2006 said he was like a "giggling sex crazed poodle". Or crazed sex poodle-I've seen it both ways.
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The masseuse who says that Al Gore sexually attacked/assaulted her in 2006 said he was like a "giggling sex crazed poodle". Or crazed sex poodle-I've seen it both ways.

He's lucky that only one has come out so far.... Nashville, everyone knows everything about everybody
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Sorry on the Texas wind farms . Subsidized .


By CHINA !!!!!!!!

Chinese-Made Turbines to Fill U.S. Wind Farm - WSJ.com

"The federal government is trying to breathe new life into the industry and last month handed out more than $500 million in grants to a dozen wind and solar-energy projects.
Cappy McGarr, managing partner of U.S. Renewable Energy Group, a private-equity firm that is lead partner on the 600-megawatt development, said the partnership would seek tax credits and support from the federal stimulus package, which should amount to millions of dollars. Mr. McGarr said the project should create 2,800 jobs -- of which 15% would be in the U.S. The rest would flow to China, where Shenyang employs 800 people."

Yup, lets get those chinese back to work . Your Stimulus dollars at work.
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I wouldn't want simpleton science to win:

High Carbon Dioxide Boosts Plant Respiration, Potentially Affecting Climate And Crops
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Sorry on the Texas wind farms . Subsidized .


By CHINA !!!!!!!!

Chinese-Made Turbines to Fill U.S. Wind Farm - WSJ.com
That article was in 2009.

The first West Texas city to be fully powered by wind was in 2007. Yes the largest is receiving money from China, but this isn't a tax credit or subsidy. China looks to profit off this, I keep hearing how green energy only works because of tax breaks and can't be profitable, well you just kinda helped me out, thanks.
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That article was in 2009.

The first West Texas city to be fully powered by wind was in 2007. Yes the largest is receiving money from China, but this isn't a tax credit or subsidy. China looks to profit off this, I keep hearing how green energy only works because of tax breaks and can't be profitable, well you just kinda helped me out, thanks.

Umm I didnt include the DOE link. I can if you want.

I am astounded that this project is also funded by stimulus, Tax breaks, and the majority of the jobs go to China.

That is TEXTBOOK with what is wrong with this country and this Administration. . This is why Glenn Beck blows gaskets. Rightfully so.


This is also TEXTBOOK for what's in UN Agenda 21 . It's no conspiracy, it is the book.


So how do you get not subsidized out of something that is clearly subsidized ?

2009 was a year ago, which means this fiscal year.
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That is TEXTBOOK with what is wrong with this country and this Administration.
I'm not aware this is the first administration that outsourcing has occured

You open my eyes.



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So how do you get not subsidized out of something that is clearly subsidized ?

2009 was a year ago, which means this fiscal year.
Did you not read the first part of my post? Or any of it for that matter?
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I'm not aware this is the first administration that outsourcing has occured

You open my eyes.




Did you not read the first part of my post? Or any of it for that matter?
"9% unemployment. I know that's hard, but hey, lets look at the bright side, at least it isn't 60% ! "

wasn't the Green economy to create "American Jobs" ?

Want to see how this movie ends? Look at Spain, and the same experiement of total failure.

I also thought it was change ? What a man he is !
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It sucks, I agree.

But don't act like this is unique to Obama, or you'll just make yourself look silly.

But it does show us that green energy can be profitable and will be the future.
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But it does show us that green energy can be profitable and will be the future.
Until then we use cheap energy. No excuse for a cap and trade world government.
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