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Old 07-04-2010, 11:25 PM   #31
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A lie can get halfway around the world while the truth is still putting its boots on, as Mark Twain said (or “before the truth gets a chance to put its pants on,” in Winston Churchill’s version
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One of the strongest, most-repeated findings in the psychology of belief is that once people have been told X, especially if X is shocking, if they are later told, “No, we were wrong about X,” most people still believe X.
We know who the masters are of that. Talk about projection from Newsweek.
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Strange in that it's not attributed to anybody. It's very cloak and dagger and goes against the spirit of free inquiry upon which science should be based.
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i'd love to know where this is posted on the un website, but i think i'll be waiting a long time for the link.
DSD :: Resources - Publications - Core Publications


-- Rio Declaration - Rio Declaration on Environment and Development - United Nations Environment Programme (UNEP) --

http://www.unep.org/labour_environme...nv-synergy.pdf

DSD :: Resources - Publications - Core Publications

Division For Sustainable Development :: About - Org Chart

Short Biography Interesting Biography on MS, but he neglects to mention he made his money in oil and mining in Canada. He and Robert muller wrote Agenda 21

Muller is another subject. He is a spiritual freak. If you saw Avatar, that is the faith of Strong and Muller. Strong likes money better. He is at thime hiding in China, build our new car with George soros as his partner.

You know soros right ?

Documents Signed At The Earth Summit And The Global Forum Rio summit read this one The agenda 21 "chapter

I like this part -"Financial assistance, initially set at $200 million, will ultimately be channeled through some mechanism under the control of the signatories but will be administered by the Global Environmental Facility on an interim basis" =. Cap and Trade thats where the cash is comng from. Remember these are 1992 dollars


These are ALL directly from the united Nations website. There is more, MUCH more. Global warmng was the basis, and "emergency they needed to write Agenda 21. Why do you thnk Obama won the peace Prize? What peace did he bring in 2-3 months in office? He got it because the wanted him to sign Coppenhagen

also, just because someone write SOME things you don't agree with, doesnt make it false. These 2 people did YEARS of research on this. it is astounishing correct for when they first wrote it. over 2 years ago. BEFORE Obama . They have not added anything since. But they could, and it would blow your mind.

I have tons more, DIRECTLY from the United Nations own website.

Which is where the links came from
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Seven Warning Signs of Bogus Science

Robert L. Park, Ph.D

The National Aeronautics and Space Administration is investing close to a million dollars in an obscure Russian scientist's antigravity machine, although it has failed every test and would violate the most fundamental laws of nature. The Patent and Trademark Office recently issued Patent 6,362,718 for a physically impossible motionless electromagnetic generator, which is supposed to snatch free energy from a vacuum. And major power companies have sunk tens of millions of dollars into a scheme to produce energy by putting hydrogen atoms into a state below their ground state, a feat equivalent to mounting an expedition to explore the region south of the South Pole.

There is, alas, no scientific claim so preposterous that a scientist cannot be found to vouch for it. And many such claims end up in a court of law after they have cost some gullible person or corporation a lot of money. How are juries to evaluate them?

Before 1993, court cases that hinged on the validity of scientific claims were usually decided simply by which expert witness the jury found more credible. Expert testimony often consisted of tortured theoretical speculation with little or no supporting evidence. Jurors were bamboozled by technical gibberish they could not hope to follow, delivered by experts whose credentials they could not evaluate.

In 1993, however, with the Supreme Court's landmark decision in Daubert v. Merrell Dow Pharmaceuticals, Inc., the situation began to change. The case involved Bendectin, the only morning-sickness medication ever approved by the Food and Drug Administration. It had been used by millions of women, and more than 30 published studies had found no evidence that it caused birth defects. Yet eight so-called experts were willing to testify, in exchange for a fee from the Daubert family, that Bendectin might indeed cause birth defects.

In ruling that such testimony was not credible because of lack of supporting evidence, the court instructed federal judges to serve as "gatekeepers," screening juries from testimony based on scientific nonsense. Recognizing that judges are not scientists, the court invited judges to experiment with ways to fulfill their gatekeeper responsibility.

Justice Stephen G. Breyer encouraged trial judges to appoint independent experts to help them. He noted that courts can turn to scientific organizations, like the National Academy of Sciences and the American Association for the Advancement of Science, to identify neutral experts who could preview questionable scientific testimony and advise a judge on whether a jury should be exposed to it. Judges are still concerned about meeting their responsibilities under the Daubert decision, and a group of them asked me how to recognize questionable scientific claims.

What are the warning signs? I have identified seven indicators that a scientific claim lies well outside the bounds of rational scientific discourse. Of course, they are only warning signs—even a claim with several of the signs could be legitimate.

1. The discoverer pitches the claim directly to the media.

The integrity of science rests on the willingness of scientists to expose new ideas and findings to the scrutiny of other scientists. Thus, scientists expect their colleagues to reveal new findings to them initially. An attempt to bypass peer review by taking a new result directly to the media, and thence to the public, suggests that the work is unlikely to stand up to close examination by other scientists.

One notorious example is the claim made in 1989 by two chemists from the University of Utah, B. Stanley Pons and Martin Fleischmann, that they had discovered cold fusion—a way to produce nuclear fusion without expensive equipment. Scientists did not learn of the claim until they read reports of a news conference. Moreover, the announcement dealt largely with the economic potential of the discovery and was devoid of the sort of details that might have enabled other scientists to judge the strength of the claim or to repeat the experiment. (Ian Wilmut's announcement that he had successfully cloned a sheep was just as public as Pons and Fleischmann's claim, but in the case of cloning, abundant scientific details allowed scientists to judge the work's validity.)

Some scientific claims avoid even the scrutiny of reporters by appearing in paid commercial advertisements. A health-food company marketed a dietary supplement called Vitamin O in full-page newspaper ads. Vitamin O turned out to be ordinary saltwater.

2. The discoverer says that a powerful establishment is trying to suppress his or her work.

The idea is that the establishment will presumably stop at nothing to suppress discoveries that might shift the balance of wealth and power in society. Often, the discoverer describes mainstream science as part of a larger conspiracy that includes industry and government. Claims that the oil companies are frustrating the invention of an automobile that runs on water, for instance, are a sure sign that the idea of such a car is baloney. In the case of cold fusion, Pons and Fleischmann blamed their cold reception on physicists who were protecting their own research in hot fusion.

3. The scientific effect involved is always at the very limit of detection.

Alas, there is never a clear photograph of a flying saucer, or the Loch Ness monster. All scientific measurements must contend with some level of background noise or statistical fluctuation. But if the signal-to-noise ratio cannot be improved, even in principle, the effect is probably not real and the work is not science.

Thousands of published papers in para-psychology, for example, claim to report verified instances of telepathy, psychokinesis, or precognition. But those effects show up only in tortured analyses of statistics. The researchers can find no way to boost the signal, which suggests that it isn't really there.

4. Evidence for a discovery is anecdotal.

If modern science has learned anything in the past century, it is to distrust anecdotal evidence. Because anecdotes have a very strong emotional impact, they serve to keep superstitious beliefs alive in an age of science. The most important discovery of modern medicine is not vaccines or antibiotics, it is the randomized double-blind test, by means of which we know what works and what doesn't. Contrary to the saying, "data" is not the plural of "anecdote."

5. The discoverer says a belief is credible because it has endured for centuries.

There is a persistent myth that hundreds or even thousands of years ago, long before anyone knew that blood circulates throughout the body, or that germs cause disease, our ancestors possessed miraculous remedies that modern science cannot understand. Much of what is termed "alternative medicine" is part of that myth.

Ancient folk wisdom, rediscovered or repackaged, is unlikely to match the output of modern scientific laboratories.

6. The discoverer has worked in isolation.

The image of a lone genius who struggles in secrecy in an attic laboratory and ends up making a revolutionary breakthrough is a staple of Hollywood's science-fiction films, but it is hard to find examples in real life. Scientific breakthroughs nowadays are almost always syntheses of the work of many scientists.

7. The discoverer must propose new laws of nature to explain an observation.

A new law of nature, invoked to explain some extraordinary result, must not conflict with what is already known. If we must change existing laws of nature or propose new laws to account for an observation, it is almost certainly wrong.

I began this list of warning signs to help federal judges detect scientific nonsense. But as I finished the list, I realized that in our increasingly technological society, spotting voodoo science is a skill that every citizen should develop.
Seven Warning Signs of Bogus Science
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Strange in that it's not attributed to anybody. It's very cloak and dagger and goes against the spirit of free inquiry upon which science should be based.
They had a lot of threats . They are in the enviromental "business with a Government. Certainly you can respect that they don't want any problems, or to lose their jobs.

I can clear up why in their own words.

hey linked everything, directly from the source. It was a very good piece of work. that is what they do in an enviromental agency.

I have an agreement with them at a time I was working n a personal project. I keep my agreements, but I can use the work for what I asked permission for , and even added some. There is another part B to their site , and it will blow your mind.

This is where Global warming, then they had to change it to "climate crisis"

The CSD are interesting. Theere are 10's of thousands of them. Some for local and state, many involve Unions , Getting the kids ( working ) and they even on the UN websites break up the world, via map, into the 8 Districts that are the plan.

Then, it is important to look at the 'religion" aspect of it. If you have seen Avatar," Gaia" should sound like something you have heard before.

Both Strong and Robert Muller, who wrote agenda 21 ( both former Assistant secretaries general of the UN BTW.

The CCE, ( CHICAGO climate exchange ) owned by Gore, franklin Raines, and a host of others we all know, is the means to transfer this money. It has been sold to an European group, but Gore etc, still own a big share . The money will flow through a bank in Chicago, that used to be called Shore Bank, but now it is called faith something fnancial community bank.

Al Gore ddnt have a dime to his name as VP. Where do you think his money came from?

It is a scam. Remember Enron? Same thing .

1 more thing. Why do you think Obama is so close to the Unions? SEIU Andy Stern still hold the record for most visits to the WH... WHY ? I will include the complete text of Agenda 21 . It will explain " labours importance to all this, if you have not figured it out by now. Meaning last 18 months.

Why do they say " Obama is the only President to have not met the Daili Lama, when they have photograps walking him out the back door thru the garbage cans ? He is important to this"global warming " Agenda 21

Indonesia trip, Obama has canceled twice. Oil spill second time. This trip is important .
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That could work either way couldn't it ? Yes. so party 1 and party 2 could be reversed. So Al Gore cold be bogus under that scenario couldnt he? He took it straight to film and books as Gospel

UN wesite is pretty straight forward, or are they just writing it for the hell of it?

Study Enron. it was nothing but a shell game to take money fro electric consumers, and shift it around hoping nbody would find it, to keep for themsellves.

Which is exactly what cap and trade is. It is modeled after Enron. You think AL thought it up? or worse... John Kerry? Liberman, Lindsey?
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to keep for themsellves.

you think that whatever money is capped-and-traded is going into the bank accounts of John Kerry, Joe Lieberman, and Lindsey Grahm?
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you think that whatever money is capped-and-traded is going into the bank accounts of John Kerry, Joe Lieberman, and Lindsey Grahm?
some Campaign money yes, but that is not the purpose. I will show you tomorrow, but the connections of this admnistration, life long, will say a lot.

I will show why the finance reform bill is a sham, and why democrats who give most of the money to wall street ( and they do ) will not suffer under the financal reform bill. That bill has nothing to do with greddy fat cats, but has everything to do with we the people. Won't touch them, will devestate us.
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"It's no secret that a liar won't believe anyone else."

Liars often fall for other lies
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"It's no secret that a liar won't believe anyone else."

Liars often fall for other lies
Of course both sides are pointing at each other with the same accusations leaving no resolution.
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Of course both sides are pointing at each other with the same accusations leaving no resolution.
My point is that I've found in life that those that fall for junk science and conspiracy theories often do so for a reason...
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right out of the playbook . can't win on what are now open facts ( My nephew knows what Agenda 21 is by his own research ) the play book says attack.

when someone keeps saying that, over and over, they are usually talking about themselves.

When it involves facts that are pretty open and about someone they think is the "God" they are in denial

Hitler fooled a lot of people, and even to this day, Germans have a hard time talking about it.


If you are a socialist/ progressive, then just say so.Why be ashamed of it? We will pick you up when you find the truth. We do that for even for whiney males singers .

Do you know why Wallstreet reform will pass as a Bill, but yet, not change a dam thing they do? Wall street fat cats are essential to CCE

Know where Tim Geithner came from? The people around him ? I am sure you don't.

I saw this from one of the Whack jobs, Dylan Ratigan ( he's on the WJ team ) from MSNBC , and he actually got something right .


The Case Against Tim Geithner

PS. He can't figure out how to use Turbotax?

Addition : This was one of the greatest thefts in world history . The biggest will be the combination of Healthcare and Cap and Trade.
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My point is that I've found in life that those that fall for junk science and conspiracy theories often do so for a reason...

Junk science.. can go both ways couldnt it? Conspiracy theories? In the age where everyone has a camera with them almost al the time, it is hard to say Conspiracy theory when they very people involved are on film saying they are doing this. Progressives like to talk, especially when they shouldn't.

Th UNITED NATIONS Agenda 21 is pretty clear about what it is, and what it is for.

The United States is one of a few, who havent signed it as a binding agreement . Did they go thru all that just for fun?


I thought the " Give a hoot, don't polute worked pretty well. Now, you hhave 8 year old Militants running around everywhere, because schools are telling them if they don't, they will die. Based on Bogus science.

There mere inkling that they would have to fudge anything, if the infomation was correct in the first place , says a lot. Why would someone fudge the truth?
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Junk science.. can go both ways couldnt it? Conspiracy theories? In the age where everyone has a camera with them almost al the time, it is hard to say Conspiracy theory when they very people involved are on film saying they are

Th UNITED NATIONS Agenda 21 is pretty clear about what it is, and what it is for.

The United States is one of a few, who havent signed it as a binding agreement . Did they go thru all that just for fun?


I thought the " Give a hoot, don't polute worked pretty well. Now, you hhave 8 year old Militants running around everywhere, because schools are telling them if they don't, they will die. Based on Bogus science.

There mere inkling that they would have to fudge anything, if the infomation was correct in the first place , says a lot. Why would someone fudge the truth?
You're wasting your time. The science has been proven junk over and over again. I have hours in another thread that refutes their beliefs ad nauseum. You're talking to fellow travelers who looked at the environment as the best place to get people to give up their freedom (because who's against the environment?). There is no way they are going to give this up until the defeat is so obvious to even the most ignorant person or if they find another cause that leads to the same end then they will switch to that. Alarmism is the key to getting funds and has been this way for decades with Greenpeace and WWF. Both of these organizations have horrible records of prediction and have been dubious sources for IPCC reports. This is why anyone who hopes for freedom is hoping Republicans take enough seats in Congress so we can move on with our lives in the real world. It's like arguing with big brother.

Apparently this guy has no worries about CO2 emissions to go to the world cup so neither will I:

YouTube - Leonardo DiCaprio 2010 FIFA World Cup South Africa(Germany/Argentia )
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You're wasting your time. The science has been proven junk over and over again. I have hours in another thread that refutes their beliefs ad nauseum. You're talking to fellow travelers who looked at the environment as the best place to get people to give up their freedom (because who's against the environment?). There is no way they are going to give this up until the defeat is so obvious to even the most ignorant person or if they find another cause that leads to the same end then they will switch to that. Alarmism is the key to getting funds and has been this way for decades with Greenpeace and WWF. Both of these organizations have horrible records of prediction and have been dubious sources for IPCC reports. This is why anyone who hopes for freedom is hoping Republicans take enough seats in Congress so we can move on with our lives in the real world. It's like arguing with big brother.
I'm just some guy. I'm young, I'm a college student. I don't make money or lose money right now based on how oil does or how Greenpeace does or how new green jobs are created or not. I have no direct connection to anything on this issue.

I'm just a guy who thinks there are very valid concerns about what we're doing to our environment that are being dismissed because the politics has caused portions of environmentalists to go over-the-top. I have not a connection in the world that gives me a reason to be on this side other than my concerns through reading up on the issue. To suggest otherwise is laughable.
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