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Old 10-24-2010, 03:22 PM   #61
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"What bothers me is that the right wing lunatics--the ones arguing that Obama is a Muslim and not an American citizen are actually gaining traction with ordinary people."


What is it?

You don't get?

That some people are tired of big government intrusion.

I am in awe at how some members here are so willing
to bow down to a all intrusive central government.
I'll ask one more time.

Where is the government intruding into your life?

The answers you have given so far are false or flat out lies.

So I want a real example of how the government has intruded into your life.
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Old 10-24-2010, 05:48 PM   #62
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I'll ask one more time.

Where is the government intruding into your life?
you have to play by their rules and live by their system. if you wanted to pack up right not and just go off and live off the land (or even better, build your own community!!!) and live a 100% free life, if would be extremely difficult, if not impossible.

you have no choice in the matter. in most cases you have to spend most of your life working for someone else that's only out to make more money (which we made up) for themselves just to get by. and hopefully you wont get out of line and break one of the thousands of laws they also made up (especially the ones that prohibit you from making your own personal choices that harm no one else) or else you'll spend some time in the correctional institutions they made for you, and when you get out you'll have and even harder time living in their "system", but you have no choice because leaving would break your parole.

of course if you are happy living in the "system" then you dont think it's an intrusion.

just thinking outside the , not saying i wanna go jeremiah johnson it up in the mountains.
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I do remember all that was possible before the 2008 election of Barack Hussein Obama.

God damn it! I want my cunt-tree back!
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Old 10-24-2010, 05:58 PM   #64
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you have to play by their rules and live by their system. if you wanted to pack up right not and just go off and live off the land (or even better, build your own community!!!) and live a 100% free life, if would be extremely difficult, if not impossible.

you have no choice in the matter. in most cases you have to spend most of your life working for someone else that's only out to make more money (which we made up) for themselves just to get by. and hopefully you wont get out of line and break one of the thousands of laws they also made up (especially the ones that prohibit you from making your own personal choices that harm no one else) or else you'll spend some time in the correctional institutions they made for you, and when you get out you'll have and even harder time living in their "system", but you have no choice because leaving would break your parole.

of course if you are happy living in the "system" then you dont think it's an intrusion.

just thinking outside the , not saying i wanna go jeremiah johnson it up in the mountains.
Maybe you could elaborate more on the prohibitions from living off the land? I'm not real familiar with those. I mean the obvious--and reasonable--prohibitions against trespassing. I was thinking more about the prohibitions against living off the land on your own property.

And, correct me if I'm wrong, but aren't you employed by the "system?"

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Old 10-24-2010, 06:00 PM   #65
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you have to play by their rules and live by their system. if you wanted to pack up right not and just go off and live off the land (or even better, build your own community!!!) and live a 100% free life, if would be extremely difficult, if not impossible.

you have no choice in the matter. in most cases you have to spend most of your life working for someone else that's only out to make more money (which we made up) for themselves just to get by. and hopefully you wont get out of line and break one of the thousands of laws they also made up (especially the ones that prohibit you from making your own personal choices that harm no one else) or else you'll spend some time in the correctional institutions they made for you, and when you get out you'll have and even harder time living in their "system", but you have no choice because leaving would break your parole.

of course if you are happy living in the "system" then you dont think it's an intrusion.

just thinking outside the , not saying i wanna go jeremiah johnson it up in the mountains.
Oh, so this is what libertarians want? They want to go back to the day before the white man came.

I got it now.
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typical knee-jerk liberal reaction.

i have a thought that is outside your realm of comprehension, so i am automatically a racist right? even though nothing i said has anything to do with obama.
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And, correct me if I'm wrong, but aren't you employed by the "system?"


yeah, so?

just throwing out thoughts, not really my personal opinions

you are allowed to think beyond your personal opinions, right?
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you are allowed to think beyond your personal opinions, right?
I don't know, maybe the big bad government has intruded in there as well.
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I don't know, maybe the big bad government has intruded in there as well.
not if im wearing the special hat i made
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you are allowed to think beyond your personal opinions, right?
Sure. It's fine by me. I ain't mad at ya.

So you're just playing devil's advocate then, throwing out a possible stance. So please don't take offense when I point out that particular stance is pretty lame and at least so far, unsupportable.

Perhaps you'd like to throw out some hypothetical support for that stance?

Or not.

I'm cool either way.
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Maybe you could elaborate more on the prohibitions from living off the land? I'm not real familiar with those. I mean the obvious--and reasonable--prohibitions against trespassing. I was thinking more about the prohibitions against living off the land on your own property.

what if you dont have any property, or dont have the means to buy some?

is there any land in the US that isn't owned? if you mean trespassing on the land that government owns that is just miles and miles of wilderness and they dont use it at all, just own it, and you cant "trespass" on it, then isnt that just another control to keep you in the "system"? and if you try to go to another country, you would be breaking their immigration laws, unless you play by their rules.

then there's the matter of hunting licenses, fishing licenses, and farming permits and the regulations that go with them.

and im pretty sure if you do own property, even if it's out in the middle of nowhere, you cant just be left alone, you most likely have to pay tax on it, meaning you MUST work to get the fake money to pay it.


remember, im just playing devil's advocate here, not really my personal opinions or desires

edit: yeah maycocksean you beat me to it
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what if you dont have any property, or dont have the means to buy some?

is there any land in the US that isn't owned? if you mean trespassing on the land that government owns that is just miles and miles of wilderness and they dont use it at all, just own it, and you cant "trespass" on it, then isnt that just another control to keep you in the "system"?

then there's the matter of hunting licenses, fishing licenses, and farming permits.


remember, im just playing devil's advocate here, not really my personal opinions or desires
Is there any land anywhere in the world that isn't "owned"? Your devil is not the sharpest demon in the bunch--he's essentially advocating something pretty close to anarchy. Which probably isn't going to draw much support from 99% of the population.

Iron Horse suggested that the Big Government is intruding on our lives in increasingly disturbing ways. The argument that anarchy is a better alternative isn't exactly the strongest argument in support of that premise.
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I see. . .

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Iron Horse and his "libertarian" pals are arguing, quite suddenly, that somehow "big government" is intruding into their personal lives. They don't give a shit about living off the land, or anything like that. They're concerned about the colored president and his Muslim buddies somehow instituting a fascist/socialist system in the United States. They can't name any specifics, but they're scared, dammit.
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