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Old 10-21-2010, 08:27 AM   #31
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I have a feeling, and I know I'll be playing right into Hannity's hands when I say this, and he can call me an elite if he wants to, but it will be between the thinking and non-thinking class. Not the educated vs non-educated but the thinking vs the non-thinking. Those that form an opinion and then gather information to uphold that opinion and those that sift through all the information and form an opinion.
One of the definitions of a democracy is the ability to create and engage in robust debate with people who hold radically different views, and to try to form consensus. I'm a little nervous about this perspective you're espousing -- and, to be fair, you've only softly espoused it. But I get nervous when people start to imply that there is a right or wrong way to think. Particularly because I'm not sure opinions can be divorced from worldviews, and worldviews are formed by individuals on both the Right and the Left (and, for that matter, the Center as well). Worldviews inform opinions, and I find that people on the Right and the Left hold to those opinions and worldviews regardless of what the facts are. Further, it's human nature to gather with people of similar life experiences or shared opinions or whatever. We believe what seems right to us, and we find information to support that belief. This is true even in FYM (though I find there to be more name-calling in FYM than in actual human interaction). I'm not sure any of us are truly open-minded, since we all greet the world in incremental stages, influenced by socio-economic factors including our family, our education level, our financial status, the relationships we form, etc. It's idealistic (in the best sense of the word) to think that we greet every issue with an open mind, but I think that reality bears this out differently.

As a result, saying that some people are "thinking" and others are "non-thinking" (which carries an inherent sense of elitism which you seem to at least understand) doesn't necessarily capture what you mean, perhaps. A better classification might be "intellectually curious" and "non-intellectually curious." There are far fewer people in the world really looking to free their minds -- that goes for people on FYM from time to time...
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Old 10-21-2010, 09:01 AM   #32
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One of the definitions of a democracy is the ability to create and engage in robust debate with people who hold radically different views, and to try to form consensus. I'm a little nervous about this perspective you're espousing -- and, to be fair, you've only softly espoused it. But I get nervous when people start to imply that there is a right or wrong way to think.
I wasn't implying a right or wrong way to think, although one could argue that there is indeed a wrong way to think.

I'm not talking about the end result, I'm talking about the means to which you got there. Have you read, used your life experiences, used available information to shape your opinion? Or are you regurgitating the opinions of others because it sounds like it will work for you as well?

I knew a grown woman who had some very odd beliefs as to how she could get pregnant, purely based on lies her mother told her to scare her from boys. These beliefs lasted with her up until she was 23. She was a non-thinker.

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As a result, saying that some people are "thinking" and others are "non-thinking" (which carries an inherent sense of elitism which you seem to at least understand) doesn't necessarily capture what you mean, perhaps. A better classification might be "intellectually curious" and "non-intellectually curious." There are far fewer people in the world really looking to free their minds -- that goes for people on FYM from time to time...
This is all very true, but still think it's a slightly different sentiment then what I was trying to imply.

I do not believe that a more open mind, or one that thinks will lead you to this "side" or that "side".
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And here chimes in her idiot-in-arms, Sarah, on the firing of Juan Williams:



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But I get nervous when people start to imply that there is a right or wrong way to think.
I could agree in principle with this.

But there are wrong and right thoughts. Sarah Palin, for example, is WRONG in her comment above and shows that she fundamentally lacks knowledge and understanding of constitutional freedom of speech. And it's time we called people out on their ignorance. Over and over again, without fearing that somebody will brand us elitists.
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Christine O'Donnell on the Issues | Christine O'Donnell for Senate


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I think I will bow down to Aqua Buddha
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I think I will bow down to Aqua Buddha


Was that one of the issues?

If not, I hope you have thought about who you are bowing to.



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It is for Tea Party and Libertarian GOP Senate Candidate, Paul Rand.
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I think she's wrong on almost every single one...
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I think she's wrong on almost every single one...


Which one would you like to discuss first?
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This piece of crap might be a good start:

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Which one would you like to discuss first?
I'll let you choose. Give me the number one reason that makes you want to vote for her.
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I'll let you choose. Give me the number one reason that makes you want to vote for her.


Ahh, that's not fair.

You were to post a reply to one of the issues posted.
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Believes that the solution to the healthcare crisis is less government meddling in the doctor/patient relationship, more competition in the insurance market and more choice for families about their health plan.
She doesn't understand the insurance market. Insurance companies have lobbied together in order so that they all get reimbursed the same amount. The insurance companies have teamed up with drug companies and device companies and have collectively set the prices. There is no competition, if she wants TRUE competition she would have to meddle and change the laws so that these factions couldn't work collectively.

Oh what a delima
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The argument to let people shop over state lines, buy insurance from any of the 50 states, under the different state's guidelines or lack thereof

will kill people and make filthy rich insurance companies even more filthy rich.


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