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Old 07-09-2012, 09:01 AM   #31
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I really can't stand the term 'unamerican'.
I have a monopoly on what it means to be American. For I understand what those brilliant fore fathers who were sent here by God meant for this country, even 200 years later. I have a monopoly on morality. When I want government in your personal life its for YOUR own good, therefore it's not "big". I believe in freedom for all, unless you are one of those unamerican type of humans then you must conform to get your freedom.

I am an unelitist christian conservative, therefore 100% American.
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Old 07-09-2012, 11:08 AM   #32
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So in a related 'Celebrity says something stupid' moment what do you think about Nugent's comment that it may have been better if the South won the Civil War?

NUGENT: Turncoat Roberts - Washington Times
Pretty much the same as Chris Rock; he says things that he knows will get attention. His musical career has sunk to the point that he's playing the side stage at rural state fairs, so he has to keep his name in the news somehow.
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Comedy, especially stand-up when done right, is one of the few places in today's society where we actually can talk through and try to deal with taboo issues that blowhards on the left and right make a big effort to "take offense" to.

IronHorse seems to have taken the remark too seriously and genuinely made an effort to educate, which is kind of missing the point but sweet at the same time.
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Old 07-09-2012, 12:32 PM   #34
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His musical career has sunk to the point that he's playing the side stage at rural state fairs, so he has to keep his name in the news somehow.
Yeah, I actually find it absolutely hilarious that he has somehow became the "rock celebrity" mouthpiece for the right. I mean here's a party that tries to claim a monopoly on morality and the only music spokesperson they can get outside of country is a washed up has been that once took legal guardianship so he could continuing screwing a 17 year old, has several kids out of wedlock, and has penned such christian songs as 'Wang Dang Sweet Putang' and 'Yank Me Crank Me'. I guess you just take what you can get
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Yeah, I actually find it absolutely hilarious that he has somehow became the "rock celebrity" mouthpiece for the right. I mean here's a party that tries to claim a monopoly on morality and the only music spokesperson they can get outside of country is a washed up has been that once took legal guardianship so he could continuing screwing a 17 year old, has several kids out of wedlock, and has penned such christian songs as 'Wang Dang Sweet Putang' and 'Yank Me Crank Me'. I guess you just take what you can get
People with a particular political affiliation block out less desirable elements of their own party all the time and vote with blinders on. It's what you have to do if you want to be politically-active in a two-party system.

Fiscal conservatives ignore fundamentalist Christians, urban liberals ignore the crazy fucks at Greenpeace, and so on.
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Old 07-09-2012, 01:17 PM   #36
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Old 07-09-2012, 02:34 PM   #37
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That ew was in response to cobblers post btw. Too late to edit
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You reply to post entries 6 back or 5 hours late.
That explains a lot.
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Old 07-09-2012, 04:44 PM   #39
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You reply to post entries 6 back or 5 hours late.
That explains a lot.
My, iphone, app, hadn't, refreshed, when, I, posted, so, I, didn't,
see, the, newer, posts, until, much, later
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Old 07-09-2012, 09:59 PM   #40
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National holidays never instilled a feeling of pride into me. Maybe I'm just bitter because of what people have twisted the origin of this country into. What I mean by that isn't so much political as it's about facts being changed for the sake of instilling more patriotism in us. History books lying about what happened to the natives (not all, but some do this, including mine), constant misrepresentations of the founding fathers to suit whoever's need (quotes out of context...


claiming this is a "christian nation" after so many lives were lost fighting to keep religion OUT of government, etc)... and political shows twisting stories about the revolution for their own gain.
What history book are you reading?

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We fear them not, We trust in God. New England's God forever reigns.

The foe comes on with haughty stride, our troops advance with martial noise,
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O Lord our Heavenly Father, high and mighty King of kings, and Lord of lords, who dost from thy throne behold all the dwellers on earth and reignest with power supreme and uncontrolled over all the Kingdoms, Empires and Governments; look down in mercy, we beseech Thee, on these our American States, who have fled to Thee from the rod of the oppressor and thrown themselves on Thy gracious protection, desiring to be henceforth dependent only on Thee. To Thee have they appealed for the righteousness of their cause; to Thee do they now look up for that countenance and support, which Thou alone canst give. Take them, therefore, Heavenly Father, under Thy nurturing care; give them wisdom in Council and valor in the field; defeat the malicious designs of our cruel adversaries; convince them of the unrighteousness of their Cause and if they persist in their sanguinary purposes, of own unerring justice, sounding in their hearts, constrain them to drop the weapons of war from their unnerved hands in the day of battle!

Be Thou present, O God of wisdom, and direct the councils of this honorable assembly; enable them to settle things on the best and surest foundation. That the scene of blood may be speedily closed; that order, harmony and peace may be effectually restored, and truth and justice, religion and piety, prevail and flourish amongst the people. Preserve the health of their bodies and vigor of their minds; shower down on them and the millions they here represent, such temporal blessings as Thou seest expedient for them in this world and crown them with everlasting glory in the world to come. All this we ask in the name and through the merits of Jesus Christ, Thy Son and our Savior.

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People get defensive at history revisionism.

By the way, that inscription on the Liberty Bell... is it religious or secular in origin?
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I can't imagine how shitty it must be for you guys to have your political process so muddied by religious gobbledygook
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What history book are you reading?

People get defensive at history revisionism.
Article 11 of the Treaty of Tripoli perhaps?

There's a lot of revisionism on both sides (see the history of the Pledge of Allegiance, etc.).
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What history book are you reading?

People get defensive at history revisionism.

By the way, that inscription on the Liberty Bell... is it religious or secular in origin?
You tell them! All our forefathers were Christian, especially Jefferson.
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Jefferson was a Christian. I believe he called himself a Unitarian.
But this is a never ending argument.

The one thing we can say without a good amount of confidence is - whether they were Christian or Deist, they were also secularists.

And there are two extremes that often refuse to acknowledge one of those two things.
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Jefferson was a Christian. I believe he called himself a Unitarian.
But this is a never ending argument.

The one thing we can say without a good amount of confidence is - whether they were Christian or Deist, they were also secularists.

And there are two extremes that often refuse to acknowledge one of those two things.
You're wrong.
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