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Old 07-07-2011, 05:22 PM   #31
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That HLN channel is scary. That Jane Velez Mitchell .
I knew Nancy Grace was about as repugnant as a human being as I've seen on TV, but after watching HLN more, here and there during this trial, it's amazing to me that they are all (basically) like that...TruTV (formerly Court TV) as well. But Nancy Grace is the queen of that shit. She's deplorable.

What a fucking cesspool of a network HLN is.

Even Dr "I can diagnose anything and anyone regardless of their ailments, mental or otherwise and I'll only do it on TV because that's the only thing that counts, and then televise their pain for my own gain and continue to call myself a professional" Drew has a show on HLN now.

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Old 07-07-2011, 05:44 PM   #32
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I have a very small familiarity with this case, and only found out about it about three days ago. But, from what I gather, there were holes in the case that make this outcome not surprising.
without following the trial itself, and just reading the facts and what not, it just seemed SO open and shut, really kind of took me for a ride when I heard the verdict.

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The woman who has the same name as the fake babysitter is suing her-she was served yesterday. The state of Florida is also going after her for costs related to the case.
I think she was going to sue her before, but couldn't because of Anthony's fifth-amendment rights.

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Old 07-08-2011, 07:36 AM   #33
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Caylee's Law' petition drive: Do missing child laws need to change?

'Caylee's Law' petition calls for establishing two new federal offenses: failure of a parent to notify authorities of a missing child within 24 hours and failure to report a child's death within one hour. The online drive comes amid public anger over the Casey Anthony verdict.

Christian Science Monitor By Chloe Stepney

One of the most unfathomable aspects of the just-concluded Casey Anthony murder trial was that no one reported 2-year-old Caylee Anthony missing, or dead, until a month after the child's disappearance. That's something that Michelle Crowder has set out to discourage in the future – by making "failure to report" a federal crime.

Ms. Crowder, of Durant, Okla., has created a "Caylee's Law" petition, which is circulating online at, a social change platform. The petition had collected more than 475,000 online signatures by Thursday afternoon, two days after a Florida jury acquitted Ms. Anthony of charges, including capital murder, that she was responsible for Caylee's death.

The Caylee's Law petition calls for establishing two new federal offenses: the failure of a parent, legal guardian, or caretaker to notify law enforcement of a missing child within 24 hours, and the failure to report the death of a child within one hour of discovery.

“The case of Caylee Anthony was tragic, and there is no reason for another case like this one to hit the courts," Crowder writes in the petition letter. "Let's do what is necessary to prevent another case like this from happening.”

The petition coincides with a burst of public outrage over the outcome of the Casey Anthony trial. Anthony, Caylee's mother, was convicted of four misdemeanor counts of lying to police and will be released from jail July 13.

People might be supporting the Caylee's Law petition because they disagree with the verdict, suggests Corey Yung, associate professor of criminal law at The John Marshall Law School, in Chicago. “This just seems like this is an instance of people just wanting to do something, and [Caylee’s Law] seems to be a place where outrage has been directed,” he says.

Crowder acknowledges she is among those who don't believe that justice was done. "When I saw that Casey Anthony had been found not guilty in the murder of little Caylee, and that she was only being convicted of lying to the police about her disappearance, I was sickened,” Crowder says. “I could not believe she was not being charged with child neglect or endangerment, or even obstruction of justice.”

Her objections seem moderate compared with the fury being vented in social media and TV current affairs programming during the past two days. On Facebook, users have created several pages to express their views about the verdict, such as “There was NO Justice for Caylee 7/5/2011,” which registered nearly 120,000 “likes,” and “100,000 People Who Think The Casey Anthony Verdict Was Wrong,” with about 259,000 “likes.”

On Fox News’s "The O'Reilly Factor" on Wednesday night, host Bill O’Reilly duked it out with guest Geraldo Rivera over the verdict. “The mother has the 2-year-old in the house. The 2-year-old is gone. The mother says nothing and lies about it. Come on, that’s neglect,” he exclaimed.

But is a Caylee's Law really needed?

Current federal law requires police to report each case of a missing child to the National Crime Information Center. If the missing person is under age 21, the law requires police to file the case immediately, omitting the waiting period for filing cases on missing adults. The law was modified during the Bush administration to allow immediate reporting of young people between ages 18 and 21, after 19-year-old Suzanne Lyall, a student at State University of New York at Albany, went missing in 1998.

Every state has statutes requiring certain individuals, such as social workers, teachers or physicians, to report suspected child abuse in particular circumstances, but no statute or federal law currently exists that requires someone to report a missing person or child.

“There’s an incredible number of laws named after tragic incidents involving children,” says Mr. Yung. “By and large, these statutes are born out of rage and often passed by majority, without debate.”

The Caylee's Law petition has prompted several lawmakers to learn more about their own states' requirements for reporting missing children.

“I was shocked to find that we don’t have such a law in Oklahoma,” says state Rep. Paul Wesselhoft (R), who says he has been receiving many e-mails and petitions from constituents who are angry about the Anthony verdict.

“’I’m not surprised about the outrage, because I’m outraged,” Mr. Wesselhoft says. He intends to introduce a bill during Oklahoma's 2012 legislative session that would require a parent or legal guardian to notify authorities within 24 hours if a child is missing or deceased.

“If my bill were a law in Florida, then Casey Anthony would be facing another six months or a year in jail,” says Wesselhoft, who suggests that measures inspired by the Caylee’s Law petition would be more appropriate at the state, rather than the federal, level. States investigate and prosecute most cases of child abuse, neglect, or death.

Editor's note: Thaddeus Hoffmeister teaches law at the University of Dayton School of Law and is the editor of the Juries blog.

(CNN) -- Did the "CSI" effect have an influence on the verdict in the Casey Anthony trial?

Programs such as "CSI: Crime Scene Investigation," in which forensics play a key role in solving crimes in 60 minutes or less, are thought by many prosecutors and legal analysts to create unreasonable expectations for jurors deciding fates in the real world. Jurors, for the most part, have no legal training or real-life experience with the criminal justice system. They are without any frame of reference for how trials operate beyond what they see on television

Prosecutors have long argued that the "CSI" effect is real and creates unreasonable expectations in the minds of jurors. They maintain that the standards for obtaining a conviction these days have been raised because jurors now expect and want scientific evidence linking the defendant to the crime, especially in a circumstantial case.

To combat this problem, many prosecutors try to lower the bar during jury selection by telling potential jurors not to expect what they see on television to be played out in the courtroom.

In addition, some prosecutors present forensic evidence that neither proves nor refutes the defendant's guilt but is intended to demonstrate to the jury the thoroughness of the prosecutor's investigation. Other prosecutors use so-called "negative evidence" such as the testimony of experts to assure jurors that it is not abnormal for crime scene investigators to fail to find certain types of evidence. Finally, a few prosecutors seek help from the court by way of jury instructions.

Here is a sample of the instructions given by a judge to jurors in Ohio:

The effort to exclude misleading-outside-influence- information also puts a limit on getting legal information from television entertainment. This would apply to popular TV shows such as "Law & Order," "Boston Legal," "Judge Judy," older shows like "L.A. Law," "Perry Mason," or "Matlock," and any other fictional show dealing with the legal system. In addition, this would apply to shows such as "CSI" and "NCIS," which present the use of scientific procedures to resolve criminal investigations. These and other similar shows may leave you with an improper preconceived idea about the legal system. As far as this case is concerned, you are not prohibited from watching such shows. However, there are many reasons why you cannot rely on TV legal programs ...

Without talking to the Casey Anthony jurors directly, we can't know for sure what led them to their decision to acquit. But in a trial held in the crime-TV saturated culture of 2011, there is a strong possibility that the "CSI" effect was a factor.

There were arguably several instances during the trial where the lack of forensic evidence could have led the jury to have reasonable doubt about the prosecution's case.

First, the prosecution was unable to determine how 2-year-old Caylee Anthony died. Jurors understand when a body is missing but have difficulty accepting that science is unable to determine the cause of death.

Second, Casey Anthony's DNA was not on the duct tape that prosecutors said was used to suffocate Caylee Anthony. Many jurors consider DNA to be the gold standard of evidence, and when it is not present, questions arise.

Third, no evidence placed Casey Anthony where her daughter's body was ultimately discovered. Jurors wanted to know why the defendant, with today's scientific advancements, could not be placed at the scene of the crime.

In sum, this case was built on circumstantial evidence in which there was no forensic evidence directly linking Casey Anthony to her daughter's death.

These illustrations are by no means an indictment of the prosecutorial team. Quite the contrary, most believe that they performed well.

This was a "dry bones" case, and prosecutors can only present the evidence they possess. These examples are merely an attempt to deconstruct a verdict that many of the Americans following the case seemed to disagree with and to show how the "CSI" effect might have influenced the Casey Anthony trial.

Cases like this one join a long list of others that leave citizens puzzled as to how a guilty verdict wasn't reached.

It leaves scholars theorizing about possible changes to reach fairer verdicts and legislators looking for changes to ensure "common sense" results. But the reality is that while the system isn't perfect, it is more often than not fair, based on standards that don't change depending on whether we dislike a defendant and feel that she or he should be adjudged as guilty.
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Old 07-08-2011, 09:27 AM   #34
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Dude, you can't be serious

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Old 07-08-2011, 09:28 AM   #35
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^ Maybe he doesn't want kids.
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Old 07-08-2011, 01:13 PM   #36
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The Caylee's Law petition calls for establishing two new federal offenses: the failure of a parent, legal guardian, or caretaker to notify law enforcement of a missing child within 24 hours
How is "child" being defined? Do people even stop to think about the potential range of circumstances that could wind up automatically branding a parent/guardian a criminal here? (I know, stupid question.) Not to mention it's probably unconstitutional for Congress to legislate on something like this.
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^ That, and it seems the type of person that would kill their child is probably not going to worry about this law anyway.
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Old 07-08-2011, 03:03 PM   #38
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^ That, and it seems the type of person that would kill their child is probably not going to worry about this law anyway.
I don't think it's designed as a preventative tool, rather as a back-up criminal charge in a case like this.
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Old 07-10-2011, 10:07 PM   #39
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Did I hear correctly that she was offered a porn deal?

Really? REALLY?
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Old 07-11-2011, 09:09 AM   #40
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Yes she was

Might work well for prison dudes-and the guy ^ who wants to marry her
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Casey Anthony 'Foolproof' suffocation search: Prosecutors unaware of web search report says

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Old 11-24-2012, 09:57 AM   #42
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My wife and I read this book a few months ago.
Written by her lawyer, Jose Baez, it gives a different point of view
to this sad story.

Presumed Guilty: Casey Anthony: The Inside Story: Jose Baez, Peter Golenbock: 9781937856380: Books
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Old 11-26-2012, 08:56 AM   #43
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I think it's only natural that her lawyer would defend her innocence, if that's what he does in that book. If the suffocation search had been used in court, he would have said that the father did it to find out how to commit suicide. I read that the search was specifically related to suicide by suffocation-using some sort of drugs and then suffocation, which would align with the chloroform. It was done through Firefox, and Casey was allegedly the only one who used that browser on their shared computer. The next thing accessed was MySpace, which was hers not her parents.

The suffocation search was the same day Caylee disappeared, so..

Whatever kind of life Casey has now, maybe it's worse than prison in many ways. A different kind of prison. I think she'll always have that life. Just tragic that her daughter has no life.

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