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Old 09-30-2009, 07:43 PM   #31
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Old 10-01-2009, 01:37 PM   #32
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CNSNews.com - Millionaire Filmmaker Michael Moore: ‘Capitalism Did Nothing For Me’

(CNSNews.com) -- Documentary film director Michael Moore, who has become a millionaire thanks to the profits from his movies, told CNSNews.com that “capitalism did nothing” for him.

CNSNews.com spoke with Moore on the red carpet at the Uptown Theatre in Washington, D.C., on Tuesday night before the premiere of his upcoming documentary, “Capitalism: A Love Story."

CNSNews.com asked: “Critics may say, when they see this movie, Michael Moore has amassed a fortune of over $50 million, some have said and –”

Moore said: “Really? Are you kidding me? Seriously? Wow. Where did it go?”

CNSNews.com then asked Moore: “Critics would say he’s [Moore] been very successful under a capitalist system. How would you justify making a movie where you paint capitalism as evil?”

Moore said: “Well, capitalism did nothing for me, starting with my first film.”

“You know, I had to pretty much beg, borrow and steal,” he said. “The system is not set up to help somebody from the working class make a movie like this and get the truth out there.”

“In fact, in Fahrenheit 9/11 if you remember, capitalism, the Disney Corporation, tried to kill that film--tried to make it so that people couldn’t see it,” said Moore. “My book Stupid White Men--Harper Collins tried to kill that book so that people couldn’t see it. It's only because I put the light of day on it and told people what was going on did people get the chance to see these things.”

According to Fortune Magazine, Moore’s films have grossed over $300 million worldwide. His highest grossing film was “Fahrenheit 9/11,” which critiques the Bush administration’s handling of the war in Iraq and earned over $200 million worldwide.

Moore reportedly was paid $21 million by Disney for producing, directing and creating the film.

Moore also earned 50 percent of the profits of his 2007 film “Sicko,” totaling $25 million plus DVD sales, according to Vanity Fair.

The Los Angeles Times reported that Moore would receive all of the profits made from DVD sales of “Sicko,” sales of which have been estimated at over $17 million.

“Look, you know, I mean, I make documentary films,” said Moore. “So, clearly, I’m not loaded in the way you described. But I do well, obviously because my films do well.”

“So, that means I have an extra responsibility to make sure I spend my time trying to make things better for the people that don’t have what I have, right? I mean, everybody should do that,” he said.

Moore’s newest film, “Capitalism: A Love Story” opens in theaters October 2.
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Old 10-01-2009, 01:49 PM   #33
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All of his employees have full medical insurance w/dental-and no deductible. That's what he says, and I've never heard otherwise. I'd guess they might be paid well too. He says he's looking at capitalism from the viewpoint of growing up Catholic-I don't know what his religious beliefs or affiliations are now but I think there's nothing wrong with that.
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Old 10-01-2009, 01:59 PM   #34
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All of his employees have full medical insurance w/dental-and no deductible. That's what he says, and I've never heard otherwise. I'd guess they might be paid well too. He says he's looking at capitalism from the viewpoint of growing up Catholic-I don't know what his religious beliefs or affiliations are now but I think there's nothing wrong with that.


this is quite true. in many ways, there's not all that much of a difference between Bono and Moore, except that Bono makes a lot more and he isn't trying to crack the system, he's trying to make it work better for others.

these are two different approaches, but i believe that Moore is as much of a philanthropist as Bono is, though obviously Moore is way, way more controversial.
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Old 10-03-2009, 10:53 AM   #35
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I like Michael Moore.
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I don't understand why some people are unable to understand that somebody who is wealthy, or who is in an upper income bracket, could advance the position that capitalism today, has wrought many wrongs and that it is the bottom classes that have received the brunt of other people's greed. It is as if as soon as such a view is expressed, somebody counters with "but YOU did great in this capitalist society!" Yes, and that hasn't made the person blind to the realities of the bottom classes.
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To the contrary, Glenn Beck has devoted entire segments of his show to the Second Bill Of Rights and the Progressive ideas of Teddy Roosevelt.


heh.......well...., maybe when a health care bill with a public option is passed i can google up what GB has said re Teddy R....

I truely can't beleive he'd support what I've heard to be TR's
"living wage" proposals.
Otherwise i don't have time for a man who really lies, and also inflames hatred of Obama.
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Old 10-03-2009, 01:05 PM   #38
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I don't understand why some people are unable to understand that somebody who is wealthy, or who is in an upper income bracket, could advance the position that capitalism today, has wrought many wrongs and that it is the bottom classes that have received the brunt of other people's greed. It is as if as soon as such a view is expressed, somebody counters with "but YOU did great in this capitalist society!" Yes, and that hasn't made the person blind to the realities of the bottom classes.

THIS.

TEddy R. FDR, First lady Eleanor R, RFK, Ted Kennedy all were very well off, but got the above idea.

and one of the reasons they were called 'class "traitors" ' and hated by many of other wealthy people

While not perfect, I bless the good they did !!
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don't know what his religious beliefs or affiliations are now but I think there's nothing wrong with that.

among other things I still I have some left over catholic guilt over trying to become rich/wealthy. BAH!
I keep working on it!

( I'm an ex-Catholic, ex-Christian- very spiritual person)
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I saw this movie this weekend, and I LOVED it! It was inspiring, tragic, poignant, humorous, and a heroic film. IMO We thoroughly enjoyed it. We cheered at the courageous ones, we booed and hissed the villian bazillionaires, we loved the music, we loved the crime scene tape.He goes after everyone.... DEMs too!!
I hope you all go see it before you criticize too much... you may be surprised.
I learned something horrific about my own company that I work for! I was shocked.... have you all heard of PEASANT insurance?
OMG. That is pure GREED.
Did you all know that MM went to Seminary and was going to be a priest? He is a very spiritual man believe it or not and I think he is an American hero!


I love how he shows the juxtaposition of what Jesus taught and what these Wall Street greed mongers are doing to our country.

Here is an article he wrote today on his web site:

We are our brother's keeper are we not?
BLESSED ARE THE POOR ...for they shall inherit the earth.


For Those of You on Your Way to Church This Morning ...a note from Michael Moore | MichaelMoore.com
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For Those of You on Your Way to Church This Morning ...a note from Michael Moore

Friends,
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Amidst all the Wall Street bad guys and corrupt members of Congress exposed in "Capitalism: A Love Story," I pose a simple question in the movie: "Is capitalism a sin?"
No. Greed is however. But so is envy Michael Moore. I'll give Mr. Moore a pass on gluttony not knowing his health history but what about lust? Is the product Hollywood is selling really any less sinful than that Wall Street? There are many ways to poison the soul.
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I go on to ask, "Would Jesus be a capitalist?" Would he belong to a hedge fund? Would he sell short? Would he approve of a system that has allowed the richest 1% to have more financial wealth than the 95% under them combined?

I have come to believe that there is no getting around the fact that capitalism is opposite everything that Jesus (and Moses and Mohammed and Buddha) taught. All the great religions are clear about one thing: It is evil to take the majority of the pie and leave what's left for everyone to fight over. Jesus said that the rich man would have a very hard time getting into heaven. He told us that we had to be our brother's and sister's keepers and that the riches that did exist were to be divided fairly. He said that if you failed to house the homeless and feed the hungry, you'd have a hard time finding the pin code to the pearly gates.
Then by that logic the richest 1% are doing the rest of us a truly great favor by, in effect, leaping on the hand grenade of wealth so that the rest of us can one day get our eternal reward in heaven. We should be thanking the rich if I understand Mr. Moore correctly.

And "brother's keeper" refers to the actual Old Testement brothers Cain and Able and is not something "He told us."
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I guess that's bad news for us Americans. Here's how we define "Blessed Are the Poor":
"Blessed are the poor in spirit, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven."
Matthew 5:3
...is how the Bible defines the "poor" that we should, as Christians, really be concerned about.
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We now have the highest unemployment rate since 1983.
actually we had just begun our longest period of peacetime sustained growth that lasted from Nov '82 to July 1990. Hundreds of millions of people became richer and "letting the rich keep more of their money" was a part of that if I remember right. And I doubt lowering the taxes of the rich kept Ronald Reagan out of heaven but I can't prove that.
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At the same time, Wall Street bankers ("Blessed Are the Wealthy"?) are amassing more and more loot --
Envy Michael.
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and they do their best to pay little or no income tax (last year Goldman Sachs' tax rate was a mere 1%!). Would Jesus approve of this?

If not, why do we let such an evil system continue? It doesn't seem you can call yourself a Capitalist AND a Christian -- because you cannot love your money AND love your neighbor when you are denying your neighbor the ability to see a doctor just so you can have a better bottom line. That's called "immoral" -- and you are committing a sin when you benefit at the expense of others.
Fair enough, Jesus did say it was important to "Love your neighbor as yourself." In fact it was the second most important commandment of all. But the most important commandment is "Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind and with all your strength."

Can't pick and choose Michael. If you put anything on earth (be it riches or political ideology) before the Lord you are just as guilty of sin as a greedy Wall Street investor.
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When you are in church this morning, please think about this. I am asking you to allow your "better angels" to come forward. And if you are among the millions of Americans who are struggling to make it from week to week, please know that I promise to do what I can to stop this evil -- and I hope you'll join me in not giving up until everyone has a seat at the table.

Thanks for listening. I'm off to Mass in a few hours. I'll be sure to ask the priest if he thinks J.C. deals in derivatives or credit default swaps.
Be sure and ask what J.C. might think of the 50 million abortions in this country since 1973.
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I mean, after all, he must've been good at math. How else did he divide up two loaves of bread and five pieces of fish equally amongst 5,000 people? Either he was the first socialist or his disciples were really bad at packing lunch. Or both.
Or miracles existed before CGI technology.
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"Blessed are the poor in spirit, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven."
Matthew 5:3
...is how the Bible defines the "poor" that we should, as Christians, really be concerned about.
oh, that's rich!
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Yes I'm so concerned that so many people have no spirit to eat or wear or live in today
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You should laugh since you do the same thing in your last post:
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BLESSED ARE THE POOR ...for they shall inherit the earth.
Conveniently leaving off "in spirit" as well (referred to directly in Matthew and assumed in Luke) and giving them the totally wrong reward to boot. Earth and today rather than heaven and eternity.

Think what you may about capitalism, Wall St and the rich & the poor, just don't edit or take out of context biblical quotes to backup your beliefs to Christians is all I would ask.
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