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Old 09-29-2009, 12:16 PM   #16
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The day Moore starts walking down the street and giving away all his money to poor people is the day I'll start to listen to this guy's view of evil capitalism.
I hope you feel the same way about rich Christians.

The Bible talks a lot more about giving to the poor, not hoarding and the sin of luxuries then about many of the things you try to implement using the Bible.

"Sell your possessions and give to the poor."

I think Moore's idea of replacing it with true democracy is much closer to the Bible than any of your uber-capitalism "christians" you follow.
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Old 09-29-2009, 03:52 PM   #17
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do you feel the same way about Bono? that he has no right to say anything about Africa until he gives away his 9 figures of worth?
at the 2nd U2 NJ/NY show i was way up 3/4 back ( actually near where iwas for ZOO-TV) .

So, during one of of Bono's speeches .... s
ome one in my section further up yelled out something along the lines--- Bono & his milllions

SO I yelled back something like.... "that doesn't matter"

BUT what I probably should have said was

"It's what you DO with those millions , that counts!"
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Old 09-29-2009, 04:02 PM   #18
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Canadian Bacon should have won an Oscar, it was that realistic...
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Old 09-29-2009, 04:07 PM   #19
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I think much of what he says is hyperbole and not meant to be taken literally. People can think for themselves and do their own research- I highly doubt that anyone takes his movies to be the definitive truth about anything.

It has already done well in limited release. I'm going to see it.
Well, MM has dug up some very interesting historical stuff:

I heard part of an interview with him late last week on our local NYC/ tri-state public radio station.

One of the things they FOUND in their research on FDR, is some film footage that was lost in time, so to speak,
of FDR either proposing a new Bill of Rights or something similar--
to reign in the excesses of laize-faire Capitalism.

IN FACT Teddy Roosevelt >a Republican also spoke on what a "LIVING WAGE" should look like!
I've heard it- its.... rather...amazing!


Rush, Savage & Beck would have a cow!

I hope to go see it- even just to see the FDR footage.
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Old 09-29-2009, 04:37 PM   #20
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Moore is a very effective filmmaker.
Really? We have more guns then ever, no Cuba-style healthcare system and, despite all the awards lavished on Fahrenheit 9/11, George W Bush was reelected in 2004.

On the other hand, a couple of amateurs with no budget and armed only with a camcorder and a fur pimp-jacket, managed to take down ACORN.
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Well, MM has dug up some very interesting historical stuff:

I heard part of an interview with him late last week on our local NYC/ tri-state public radio station.

One of the things they FOUND in their research on FDR, is some film footage that was lost in time, so to speak,
of FDR either proposing a new Bill of Rights or something similar--
to reign in the excesses of laize-faire Capitalism.

IN FACT Teddy Roosevelt >a Republican also spoke on what a "LIVING WAGE" should look like!
I've heard it- its.... rather...amazing!


Rush, Savage & Beck would have a cow!

I hope to go see it- even just to see the FDR footage.
To the contrary, Glenn Beck has devoted entire segments of his show to the Second Bill Of Rights and the Progressive ideas of Teddy Roosevelt.
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I would guess that Michael Moore probably does not understand capitalism, given that he has previously displayed a rather simplistic approach to issues. This is a guy that thinks most people in Ireland supported Sinn Fein/IRA during the troubles. The only way to really understand how a capitalist system works, in my opinion, and I accept this may come as hubristic, is to actively trade the markets, preferably with your own money. There are few things more democratic than trading that I can think of, especially seeing as now it is much easier for small investors to do it, with the technological improvements we have see in recent years (though I say this with the proviso that the majority of small traders, probably the vast majority, lose money).

I haven't seen the film but I suspect that when he critiques capitalism he is really criticising monopolistic and oligopolistic practices - which should indeed be criticised and cracked down upon.

Having said that, he was right about the Buschco oligarchy.
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Naomi Klein in conversation with Michael Moore on the movie.

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Really? We have more guns then ever, no Cuba-style healthcare system and, despite all the awards lavished on Fahrenheit 9/11, George W Bush was reelected in 2004.

On the other hand, a couple of amateurs with no budget and armed only with a camcorder and a fur pimp-jacket, managed to take down ACORN.


artistically effective, INDY. his effectiveness in inspiring what might be called the Left Wing is at least, if not more, as effective in inspiring animosity on the right. politically, he's a wash. but from a film making perspective, he's very, very good at what he does. he's by far the most successful documentarian in history, and "Roger and Me" remains a brilliant film.

dude, you people have to get over ACORN. it's not much of a story, and the more you beat dead horses like this, the more you continue to look like a marketing movement.
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I would guess that Michael Moore probably does not understand capitalism, given that he has previously displayed a rather simplistic approach to issues.


to spin this a bit, but is it kind of like you and religion?

also, when we point out the failures of capitalism, and the free-market true believers get all, "oh, but, see, if capitalism were done correctly, then it would be fine," they sound like Stalin apologists.
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artistically effective, INDY.
"...because the film is this incredible piece of old-style popular education."

~ Naomi Klein
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to spin this a bit, but is it kind of like you and religion?
actually sounds a bit like a religion itself. only those who worship at the exchange *truly* understand. repent and etrade, and thou shalt be set free!
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actually sounds a bit like a religion itself. only those who worship at the exchange *truly* understand. repent and etrade, and thou shalt be set free!


indeed.

it's all the same architecture.
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