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Old 12-07-2008, 11:40 PM   #196
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Why do you say that?

By the way, I've also met him and came away impressed.
I was kind of kidding - I recall during the U.S. election many in this forum said a lot of Americans would rather vote for someone they could picture going for a beer over an intellectual who attended a good university.
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Old 12-07-2008, 11:48 PM   #197
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I was kind of kidding - I recall during the U.S. election many in this forum said a lot of Americans would rather vote for someone they could picture going for a beer over an intellectual who attended a good university.
That line of thinking never made sense to me. If anything, I wouldn't want someone just like me to run the country. I'd want someone better and smarter so they can make the most informed decisions. It would make me feel better that the country is in capable hands.

By using that line of thinking you're basically reducing an election campaign to a popularity contest. I'm not naive, I know that you need to be likable in order to connect with the electorate. I'm just looking for a balance somewhere.

Two words: Sarah Palin.
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Two words: Sarah Palin.
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". . . where it is the taxpayers looking to bail out. But ultimately, what the bailout does is help those who are concerned about the healthcare reform that is needed to help shore up our economy. Um, helping, oh -- it's got to be all about job creation too. Shoring up our economy, and putting it back on the right track. So healthcare reform and reducing taxes and reining in spending has got to accompany tax reductions, and tax relief for Americans, and trade, we've got to see trade as opportunity, not as a competitive, um, scary thing, but 1 in 5 jobs being created in the trade sector today. We've got to look at that as more opportunity. All of those things under the umbrella of job creation. This bailout is a part of that."
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Old 12-08-2008, 07:23 AM   #199
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That line of thinking never made sense to me. If anything, I wouldn't want someone just like me to run the country. I'd want someone better and smarter so they can make the most informed decisions. It would make me feel better that the country is in capable hands.

By using that line of thinking you're basically reducing an election campaign to a popularity contest. I'm not naive, I know that you need to be likable in order to connect with the electorate. I'm just looking for a balance somewhere.

Two words: Sarah Palin.
Another two : George Bush

And I think it's a big factor in explaining why Bush was elected and not Gore (and possibly also in explaining his re-election)
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Old 12-08-2008, 08:17 AM   #200
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i was hoping ignatieff would succeed martin initially, so i'm pleased with this turn of events. a very educated man indeed.
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Old 12-08-2008, 01:01 PM   #201
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CBC confirmed that Dion is resigning today.
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Old 12-09-2008, 11:53 AM   #202
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Bob Rae is going to announce he's dropping out of the race at 3pm EST today.
Prime Minister Ignatieff
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Bob Rae is going to announce he's dropping out of the race at 3pm EST today.
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Wow, that's great news! It's nice when people actually have the interests of the country in mind.
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Old 12-09-2008, 12:08 PM   #204
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In a nod to the title of this thread, we are now worthy of Jon Stewart's ridicule hehe. He spent over 10 minutes of the Daily Show yesterday on "Provinces in Peril - Indecision Oh-Eh?"
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Old 12-09-2008, 12:12 PM   #205
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AND he made fun of Harper's hair!
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Old 12-09-2008, 12:28 PM   #206
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I liked it when they showed the Queen knighting a Corgi
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Old 12-09-2008, 07:59 PM   #207
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Another (lifelong) Albertan checking in.

But, sorry, I'd pass on Red Deer, too.
Lol everyone would pass on Red Deer!!!!
I didn't choose to live in this one horse town, i've lived here 17 yr and i'm trying to get out.. Hey atleast we got a lulu lemon now!!!
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Old 12-10-2008, 06:54 AM   #208
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globeandmail.com: Being Michael Ignatieff

this man has fascinated me for some time, and the more i read about him the more i want to know.

quite literally, he'll make everyone else in parliament look like a fifth grader in terms of intellect but will that translate into political gains for himself and the liberal party? i hope so, but i have my reservations.

what interests me most about him at the moment are his views on the iraq war. what many people have been doing is foolishly painting him as being stupid about the whole thing. while i don't agree with him on it, his reasons for supporting it are far more complex than they give him credit for.

can an intellect of his calibre connect with the (stupid) masses? time will tell.

my girlfriend is friends with his daughter, and the stories i've heard are quite interesting... but probably not best served in writing on here.

what i would love more than anything is to see ignatieff tear harper into shreds.

i've got a hardon for intelligence, guys.

but will that make him a great leader?

in almost every sense, he is the polar opposite of sarah palin.
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Old 12-10-2008, 06:57 AM   #209
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reading my last post, i'm not sure people can tell if i was serious or taking the piss.
i was serious... but i'm obviously a fan boy, so clarity and reason had to be avoided. ha.
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yes.

like i said, i can't wait to hear the casual insults that refer to him as being "stupid". oh how i'll laugh.
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Old 12-10-2008, 11:02 AM   #210
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My brother has seen him speak many times and really likes him (albeit in the academic sense).

I do fear that he's not ready to fight the schoolyard bully (Harper) the way that Rae would have. For example, right after that budget update was released, his immediate comment was to quote Aristotle. Now don't get me wrong, it was an extremely appropriate comment and it was even beautiful, but is that going to resonate with most people? I don't know.

Regarding Iraq, I thing he was wrong and I think he thinks he was wrong. It's not so much his stance that bothered me, it's his tendency to equivocate which I don't respond to so well.

BUT, let's be honest, he looks extremely presidential, like he was born to lead. He is also a very good public speaker and in times of such extreme economic unrest, I think that people want somebody who is smart and stable to lead them. The only thing I fear is that if/when they go to a general election, he is going to try to win by following the Obama approach, which would not be a great idea since he's not Obama and Harper isn't Bush.

I am fond of intellectuals though, so I do like him overall.
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