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Old 12-04-2008, 12:41 PM   #136
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Left-wing policies aside, you seem to make a lot of assumptions about how we live in the east, and eastern life in general. You do not seem to understand, as anitram said, that some of us do not vote with our pocketbook. Some of us vote our conscience. And you do not seem to understand, that generalizing and stereotyping an entire segment of the population makes you seem out of touch with the reality of the situation.

It's why I posed the question to you, and you did not answer. It's why BVS posed the question, and you answered, but not his question specifically.

So, I'll ask again: How much time have you spent in the East and how many easterners have you interacted with?
I've answered the question. Obviously no I haven't lived in the East. What does travel have to do with learning economics? I answered the question with another question to see if it applies to the people asking me.

I don't care where a politician lived as long as they have good policies. If Angelina Jolie visits more countries than me does she understand economics more than you or I? It's a desperate argument.
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Old 12-04-2008, 12:45 PM   #137
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The point everyone is trying to make is that economics is different for different people in different regions in different countries and therefore my argument only works in Alberta.

I don't agree with that, so my answers show that. Do you think travelling to Toronto is going to make me vote liberal? Many easterners move to Alberta and keep voting liberal. Why should my beliefs be contained by personal travel? Liberals would like westerners to vote liberal and that's why they campaign in Alberta.

If personal travel was all that was needed then each region could argue for nation status on their own.

It's just a way to avoid arguing about economics. People on this site are more interested in politics than economics.

Wow.

You're once again putting words in my mouth. Read what I wrote earlier: "Left-wing policies aside...." I'm not asking the question because I want you to vote liberal. I don't care how or for whom you vote, frankly. I believe that divergent opinions and views are essential to making a society healthier and stronger.

Once again, I'll repeat. I'm asking because you continue making assumptions and general statements about easterner's way of life, yet it seems like you've never spent any sustained amount of time in the east, or interacted with very many easterners (who live in the east, not those that moved to Alberta.)


ETA: Re: the post above this one. It's not about understanding economics! I want to know how you base your comments on our way of life in the east. OUR WAY OF LIFE. NOT ECONOMICS.
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Old 12-04-2008, 12:48 PM   #138
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I've answered the question. Obviously no I haven't lived in the East. What does travel have to do with learning economics? I answered the question with another question to see if it applies to the people asking me.

I don't care where a politician lived as long as they have good policies. If Angelina Jolie visits more countries than me does she understand economics more than you or I? It's a desperate argument.

You're missing the point, and I'm beginning to wonder if it's on purpose. You seem to believe one policy will work everywhere, and that's just pure ignorance. You live in a pretty privileged area of the world, and your answer to those that don't have that priviledge always seems to be well move somewhere else, get a better degree, etc... But you don't get it, that's not an option for everyone. You also make these awful and ignorant generalities and stereotypes about everyone. Your policies don't work for those who were born into poverty, they don't work for the ill that can barely afford healthcare, they don't work for a majority of the population of the world. So quit pretending they do. Educate yourself a little bit about what goes on outside Alberta...
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Old 12-04-2008, 12:52 PM   #139
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People on this site are more interested in politics than economics.
Here's just another shitty generalization of yours...
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What does travel have to do with learning economics?
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If Angelina Jolie visits more countries than me does she understand economics more than you or I? It's a desperate argument.
Not to join in the pile, here, but I just wanted to make a comment about this.

No, travel or awareness of how others live won't necessarily make one learn economic theory better. But what it WILL do is to help one broaden their outlook a little more, and maybe come to the realization that there's no one-size-fits-all answer for every economic problem. I've readily admitted that beyond the basics, I know very little about economic theory, and yet I still know that in each situation, there are so many variables that come into play that it's impossible to apply the same fix to each one.

It's fairly obvious that you've been to school and done a lot of reading about various subjects. However, what you really need to look at in a more human way is not the theory, but the application of the theory. I think that's where a wider view of the world and its intricacies might be helpful to you. Your posts show that you have very little understanding of how regions of the world are vastly different, and on a more micro level, that families and individuals live under very different circumstances, too, and thus have different needs. If everyone started off on a level playing field with exactly the same sets of circumstances, then maybe your theories would fit, but they simply don't. People and their situations are vastly different, and that's not something you can necessarily learn from a textbook.
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OTTAWA -- Parliament was suspended midday Thursday after Gov. Gen. Michaelle Jean agreed to a request from Prime Minister Stephen Harper to interrupt the session, a decision that means his government has staved off certain defeat in a non-confidence vote scheduled for next week.
Nice. Way to delay the democratic process from taking place. It's very clear that all he's interested in is protecting his own ass during this time, when the politicians of the country should be focussed on more important things, like, you know...people potentially starving for the next couple of years.
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I fail to see how this is going to solve any of his problems anyhow. Isn't this going to piss of the opposition even more? And when Parliament does resume, what is stopping them from voting non-confidence at that point?
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I fail to see how this is going to solve any of his problems anyhow. Isn't this going to piss of the opposition even more? And when Parliament does resume, what is stopping them from voting non-confidence at that point?
All it's doing is delaying the inevitable.
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I fail to see how this is going to solve any of his problems anyhow. Isn't this going to piss of the opposition even more? And when Parliament does resume, what is stopping them from voting non-confidence at that point?
This was his one and only available option. He may be delaying the inevitable in terms of the confidence vote on the January budget, but at least he can run on the budget in the election campaign. Were there to be an election now, the opposition would be hammering him on that fiscal update, which is not much to run on.
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I look at the history of Keynesian economics and then I infer from that. Stimulus packages are short-term. Keynesian economics is popular because economists need jobs beyond just teaching, and politicians usually look to Keynesians to increase government intervention. Keynes believed that once the debt was incurred then during the next boom the government should then pay it back. This can happen but it usually is unpopular and requires spending cuts. Harper only wanted to do a little stimulus because what's happening in the U.S. is not working.

The reason for stimulus is to encourage people to spend with low interest rates and forcing tax dollars (or debt/future tax dollars) to go to infrastructure expenses to create make work jobs. If you have good finances it doesn't really matter, but if you have tons of debt I don't see how listening to economists and spending more from borrowing would help you.

At least you get the savings idea. The savings rate is historically low so at least some people like you get it.

Yes I am aware that the east is more left-wing but I think I'm as human as anyone in the east so I feel that what works for healthy individuals here works in other countries let alone other regions.

Ireland used to be a third world country but not anymore.
Your last sentence seems to bear little relation to the rest of your post. In terms of its social welfare system, Ireland is much closer to the continental Europe model than the US model. Also, currently, Ireland's economy is in s***. See here:- http://www.davy.ie/content/pubarticl...cr20081204.pdf

Neither is Ireland's saving ratio particularly impressive over the last few years (although not as bad as the US). On the other hand, the savings ratio has improved slightly recently (as referenced in the above link), which I imagine meets with your approval.
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He's also hoping that some Liberal, NDP or Bloc MPs will start questioning the coalition and back off...
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I think he's also hoping that time will sway more of the public opinion his way. Look forward to a holiday season full of attack ads.
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oh bloody hell, that's all I need...

more of those stupid anti Dion ones
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I'd like to know the GG's reasons for agreeing to this, because she's on the hook for this now, too. I can't help but wonder if things would be different if the Liberals had a stronger leader in place, someone who resonated with both French and English speaking Canada.
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Way to get a long Christmas break.
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