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Old 09-16-2008, 10:58 AM   #91
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ugh... yet another reason not to vote
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Old 09-16-2008, 11:50 AM   #92
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I'm confused. Shouldn't the "choices" be pfan, NSW, lmac and me?
Beav, what foreign policy experience do you guys have other than being next to Canada, and, in some instances, being able to see Canada from afar? That doesn't make you qualified to.....oh, wait.
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Old 09-16-2008, 12:01 PM   #93
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Beav, what foreign policy experience do you guys have other than being next to Canada, and, in some instances, being able to see Canada from afar? That doesn't make you qualified to.....oh, wait.
I have a passport and a Warriors spirit.
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Old 09-16-2008, 12:26 PM   #94
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[...] I'm Conservative and i'm happy with it thanks! [...] i could be NDP, or green party too [...]
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Old 09-16-2008, 03:02 PM   #95
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I hope you all relize what clear minded rational Albertans have to put up with on a day to day basis! Her view is common here in Alberta, they're Conservative but can't explain what policies that the party has that they agree with. And you think this is bad ýou should study out prov. elections!

Oh, got a great story from my riding in Fort McMurray! Brian Jean, the conservative running here (basicallý unopposed, the Liberal has allready said he won't campaign!) was at our union meeting on Thursday. Fort Mac is a union town, though less and less by the day but still very union. So he asked if he could stop into our meeting and talk to members and ask the union for support, why I don't know! He got up to the mic and went on about how the Liberals are going to shutdown the Oilsands and how the NEP killed Albertas economy and that the "green shaft" was the NEP in sheeps clothing. When he was done trying to scare the shit out of a hundred or so construction workers he asked if anyone had any questions. Well did he get an earful! As much as people here make their livelyhoods from oil they are very concerned about the environment and the health impacts from working and living so close to these plants. Not only that they are also see the conservatives as the anti union party. His response was that his brother is a union ironworker and someone yelled out "then he hates you too!" Someone motioned to have a show of hands to see if the union should publicly support him and after the sea of hands raised after the nay voted he thanked us and left. It was priceless!
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In response to Layton's 'A New Kind of Strong' video, which is broken down into three quick points about the 'strengths' of Harper.

- Tax cuts to make Canada more competitive in global markets help our economy, and the fact that there are so many impoverished children when our economy is the strongest it's been in ages is a sign of deeper social issues that existed before Harper and will continue to exist no matter who takes over next -- Including Layton. That Harper cut taxes has nothing to do with these children: it isn't the reason they're living in poverty, it isn't the cause of their woes, and if the economy nosedives because we tax ourselves out of competition in global markets then there'll be even more impoverished children.

- Canadians have always had trouble finding family doctors, especially in Ontario. I haven't had a doctor since I was in highschool, which is when the Liberals were in power. Again, not a conservative problem. Can Harper fix it with a minority government? No. Could Layton fix it even if he had a majority? Certainly not. Unless he plans on restructuring the entire economy and medical system, which is frankly infeasible.

- Record high gas prices have little to do with Harper. Gas taxes, while those involve Harper to some extent, are also necessary. First and foremost, because we treat oil like a necessity when it is a luxury. We talk tough about saving the environment, and then we still drive 5 minutes to the store and leave our cars idling in the lot. High cost of fuel forces people to put their money where their mouth is in terms of conservation. As I said earlier, Harper has nothing to do with the oilsands project, which is the endeavour of private enterprise and has been going on for two decades.

Sincere bullshit is still bullshit, and Layton is just as full of it as he's ever been, even though he seems sincere. If he believes strongly in what he's doing, that's great, but feeling strongly doesn't pay the bills. Part of this whole discussion has been about people 'feeling' things and not backing them up: my problem with Layton is that he can't back up his claims. He's a panderer and a manipulator first and foremost. He isn't an administrator, he isn't an executor, he's an idealist. Harper may send off his children with a handshake, but the part of that story that noone talks about is that he respects his kids and respects that they don't want to be hugged in front of their friends -- forget the whole nation -- but we allow people to spin it and make him seem fake and inhuman. Even if I conceed that Harper isn't human and is entirely fake, at least he's got more in his bag of tricks than solely spin doctory.
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Old 09-17-2008, 07:37 AM   #97
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Fox, you're third point is badically right but Harper did promise that if gas prices did go higher than 85cents he'd drop the gas tax. Well gas hasn't seen 85cents in a long time and there was never any talk about him dropping the tax. Not that I think he should but he did run on that platform in the last election.

I meet Jack Layton during the last federal election and he does speak to the common man and woman. He just needs to stop being such an idealist, like you said. Sometimes I really like the multi partÝ system but when you look at the polling, 60-65% of Canadians would vote for left leaning parties. Now if I was a conservative I would love Þhis system. But does it represent Canada accurately? The multi party system, especially considering we have 5 party polling at or above 10%, is best served with proportional representation. But then we get more minority govts and more coalition gov'ts. I just struggle to figure out who has a better system, Canada, USA, or Ireland.
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Old 09-17-2008, 11:36 AM   #98
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Heh...this reminds me of the time I whimsically suggested that we return to Old English spellings of "th," (Þ/þ, as in "thorn"; ð as in "them").
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I'm interested...what do those of you on "the mainland" think about Danny Williams' ABC (Anything But Conservative) campaign?
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As someone who hates the Conservatives I like it.

As a realist, it seems like a bad idea if the Conservatives win the election and get a majority this time...
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He just needs to stop being such an idealist
I agree. That's always been one of the main problems of the NDP party. They have this utopian vision, but government only has a limited amount of dollars to pay for it.
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Heh...this reminds me of the time I whimsically suggested that we return to Old English spellings of "th," (Þ/þ, as in "thorn"; ð as in "them").
Just to clarify, I have no idea what you're talking about! Haha! Its something my blackberry does all the time. I'm glad you knew what I was saying! Mý pickle fingers arn't cut out for such little keys. Oh how I've missed interference and FYM!
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I'm interested...what do those of you on "the mainland" think about Danny Williams' ABC (Anything But Conservative) campaign?
I love it, but I'm not a Newfoundlander! Its great for Liberals because Danny Williams gets press right across the country. But as was said, its not going to be good if a majority happens.

On the Danny Williams issue: I love the guy! Why don't he run for federal politics? I know most people like politictions from other places! But with his newfie charm and his sort of independent streak, OH forget it, independence isn't going to get him anywhere in federal politics! Does anyone know if he's ever considered federal politics or talked about it?
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As someone who hates the Conservatives I like it.

As a realist, it seems like a bad idea if the Conservatives win the election and get a majority this time...
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I love it, but I'm not a Newfoundlander! Its great for Liberals because Danny Williams gets press right across the country. But as was said, its not going to be good if a majority happens.

On the Danny Williams issue: I love the guy! Why don't he run for federal politics? I know most people like politictions from other places! But with his newfie charm and his sort of independent streak, OH forget it, independence isn't going to get him anywhere in federal politics! Does anyone know if he's ever considered federal politics or talked about it?
Two positive responses, at least! In a lot of the news blogs I've been reading, the general consensus seems to be "Danny Williams is a silly, freeloading Newfie who should drop his personal vendettas - doesn't he realise that the Liberal carbon taxes will hurt his province even more than Harper's failed promises?" What most of these people fail to understand is that the ABC campaign is not about money or Newfoundland and Labrador's oil industry. It's about holding Harper and the federal Conservatives accountable for what they did (re: equalisation payments). It's about issues of trust and respect. How can Newfoundlanders -- or Atlantic Canadians in general -- support the leadership of a man who claims that this area of the country is spurred on by little more than a "culture of defeatism"? His view of this region is so utterly distorted by stereotypes, it's not even funny. Mark my words, the people of Newfoundland and Labrador will almost certainly vote Liberal/NDP next month. I wish I could vote, too. (Bah, citizenship laws.)

Premier Williams is just about the only conservative politician I've ever admired. He has done a lot for NL. Does he behave like a child sometimes? Yes...but even so, it's hard not to like him. And no, I don't know if he has considered (or is considering) getting involved with federal politics.
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Old 09-30-2008, 10:42 PM   #105
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I was wondering where the sleepy Canadian election thread was! Buried! Great post, Steph. You’re a really good writer, by the way.

My opinion on “Danny” (I cringe at the first-name-only tag, on occasion) is that both his heart and head are on the right side of this issue. Yes, he has come across as a child (a second occasion for cringing), however, the fact that he has to stoop to such a level ultimately says more about Harper than it does about him. As a region, we’re but a blip on his radar screen. Williams knows this, and probably realizes that the only way get Harper’s (and the national media’s) attention is to rant and roar, and dance around with a giant Puffin on stage. It’s a shame, but it ultimately gets his point in the general discourse, even if it’s not addressed through policy. Bottom line, as you say, is that Harper outright lied…and that fact should carry a massive amount of weight. On top of this, not only has he said Atlantic Canadians are immersed in a culture of defeatism, but he’s also told Williams in person that he doesn’t need the support of Newfoundlanders and Labradorians to get elected and to sell his agenda to the country.

Since you wrote your post, that “agenda” has continued to rear its ugly head and evolve into something even more disturbing. He’s called people in the arts community “elites” and something ‘ordinary’ Canadians cannot relate to. He also said in a speech last week that “…this is no time for new ideas.” He actually said that, in reference to The Liberal Green Shift plan. The Green Shift plan is an idea that needs to happen, no matter what the party.

The environment, to me, is the key issue of our time. Harper is fear mongering on this issue, saying how carbon taxes will cripple industry and dismantle the economy. On the contrary, such a plan will punish polluters, and reward people and businesses that are kind to the planet. The potential for growth in green industries here in Newfoundland is enormous, with wind power, and so on. The science is indisputable on the issues of global warming. Canada, embarrassingly, is on the verge of becoming one the worst polluters on the planet, per capita. How does Harper address this? He doesn’t. The latest news is that he now wants the big debate on Thursday night to feature an extended discussion on “the economy.” He’ll likely urge us to “stay the course,” and stick it out. No surprises. No new ideas.

I’ve given Harper a chance to earn his wings, but he keeps spiraling downward with each passing day. I’ll admit, there were moments before the election when I actually started thinking that he wasn’t such a bad leader. I even became numbed to his fishing vests and interesting collection of blue sweaters. Just last week, I even thought “in spite of his flaws, he’s the best-spoken, most organized of the bunch.”

I’ve since come around from that momentary lapse of reason and realized that Harper and his party are a bunch of chameleons that have somehow convinced a historically Liberal country to vote for them. Not only vote for them, but to give them a majority!

I don’t use the word “chameleon” lightly, either. This absolutely blew my mind today when I read it, given the historical significance of the moment: globeandmail.com: Tories admit plagiarism in Harper speech

In terms of an “ABC” campaign, I’ve gone back and forth with deciding who I’ll be supporting. I hate to vote strategically, but, in a country that has yet to adopt much-needed proportional representation, the Liberals represent the most viable way to curb the Conservatives, protect the environment, and bring back the country I know and love.
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