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Old 02-10-2011, 04:54 PM   #181
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Suleiman needs to borrow this guys speechwriters


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Old 02-11-2011, 11:24 AM   #182
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Mubarak just stepped down, and the video coverage of the celebrations are amazing!
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Old 02-11-2011, 11:27 AM   #183
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Apparently, the army has been entrusted with the republic.
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Well the celebration will not last too long... unfortunately.
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Old 02-11-2011, 01:37 PM   #185
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why not LuckyNumber7?

tis only the beginning but it is a huge thing!

let's hope the essential reforms can be pushed thru and a fair system implemented!
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why not LuckyNumber7?

tis only the beginning but it is a huge thing!

let's hope the essential reforms can be pushed thru and a fair system implemented!
I mean, I hope that it will last. Either way, their tourism industry is a dud for a while. I hope for the best, but expect the worst.
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I heard a report that Mubarack's accounts in Swiss banks have been frozen.



Also, I think the Muslim Brotherhood card has been way over-played.


This movement is very broad, at least 60-65% of the people.

I do believe a good 30% + or -, is/was satisfied with the status quo.
That is why Mubarak, who probably kept hearing from them behind the scenes, believed he could ride this out with some compromises.

Anyways, I do not see Egypt falling under the heavy hand of the Muslim Brotherhood.
This same group, the under 30 crowd (play station generation) would take to the streets again if they had some kind of authoritarian government imposing restrictions on them again.

Yes, the genie is out of the bottle.
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They're not out of the woods with regard to how much change the army will ultimately allow. Yet the people have succeeded in forcing the resignation of one of the world's longest-standing dictators in the face of harsh resistance at the highest levels, and they did it peacefully and in a deliberate spirit of national unity and civic virtue. That is an incredible and historic achievement right there. They have also paid a high price for it, sadly.

I wish my own government had taken a stronger stand in support of the right thing, but considering the money we've invested in this regime since and because of the Camp David accords, I can't say I'm surprised.
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They're not out of the woods with regard to how much change the army will ultimately allow. Yet the people have succeeded in forcing the resignation of one of the world's longest-standing dictators in the face of harsh resistance at the highest levels, and they did it peacefully and in a deliberate spirit of national unity and civic virtue. That is an incredible and historic achievement right there. They have also paid a high price for it, sadly.

I wish my own government had taken a stronger stand in support of the right thing, but considering the money we've invested in this regime since and because of the Camp David accords, I can't say I'm surprised.
Now that's just a harsh use of words there. Though recent times haven't been so great, Mubarak did bring great things to Egypt. Stuff that separated Egypt from the rest of the Middle East.

I'm white as sin (yet half Egyptian) and never once feared being in Egypt. Hell if I'd go anywhere else (perhaps Jordan) in the Middle East.
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I mean, I hope that it will last. Either way, their tourism industry is a dud for a while. I hope for the best, but expect the worst.
yeah i hope the industry picks up again... it is the livelihood for many though... i'm still heading over there for a holiday in a few weeks time... quite excited about it, little bit scared too though lol! will be going unless the UK foreign office says otherwise i think, or unless things get complicated...
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Now that's just a harsh use of words there. Though recent times haven't been so great, Mubarak did bring great things to Egypt. Stuff that separated Egypt from the rest of the Middle East.

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I have heard it said that Mubarak had 12 good years followed by 18 bad or
10 good years followed by 20 bad years.

Either way if the last 18-20 years are viewed as bad, that is foremost in the people's minds. That is why his last couple of speeches that included his life story, with his service as a young man, failed to impress the protesters.
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I have heard it said that Mubarak has 12 good years followed by 18 bad or
10 good years followed by 20 bad years.

Either way if the last 18-20 years are viewed as bad, that is foremost in the people's minds. That is why his last couple of speeches that included his life story, with his service as a young man, failed to impress the protesters.
In the midst of all of this, two things happened. 1st, there is a bit of corruption going on which is why you get the bad, but second Mubarak was scapegoated by the people of Egypt for issues that are a worldwide problem.

I believe Egypt is the #1 importer of wheat, or something to that extent. The cost of food has shot up significantly, and so it has in Egypt as well. People demand affordable food, but that's sometimes not the governments fault.

I'm not saying Mubarak should've stayed, but that government was neither a dictatorship nor oppressive. Just poorly ran. The government system is what failed Egypt and led to the riots. The same man shouldnt be able to be in power for 30some years.
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Though recent times haven't been so great, Mubarak did bring great things to Egypt. Stuff that separated Egypt from the rest of the Middle East.

I'm white as sin (yet half Egyptian) and never once feared being in Egypt. Hell if I'd go anywhere else (perhaps Jordan) in the Middle East.
If you were a labor activist, an opposition politician or a journalist (for starters), I think you would probably have a different view. 'Dictatorship' is primarily a characterization of a mode of governance (authoritarian rule by an individual or small faction which freely bends or ignores constitutional limits on its behavior); it's not based on ideas of how evil the leader(ship) is relative to other governments, and yes freely elected governments can be persecutory and corrupt too, not to mention monarchies and totalitarian regimes.

No argument on much of the rest of the Middle East's governments being as oppressive (or worse) in their own way.
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