INDY500
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As usual, I'm going to ask for a citation here. I know I won't get one, but I'll ask anyway.
Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong.
As usual, I'm going to ask for a citation here. I know I won't get one, but I'll ask anyway.
Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong.
The answer I was expecting. If you like to rely on made-up statistics, go right ahead. That works for conservatives all the time.
Today I asked my superintendent how many languages were spoken in our district. 73. Last time I checked, Spanish was only one language.
So, go ahead and make shit up. We're all on to you here.
You realize that's backwards, that's not how the real world operates? Right?
And looking into the crystal ball, two-thirds of California's kindergarten students are Hispanic, most unable to speak English with illiterate, poorly educated and unskilled parents.
So buena suerte with your 'What Makes A Society Thrive And Prosper' theories.
As usual, I'm going to ask for a citation here. I know I won't get one, but I'll ask anyway.
Maybe the author meant 2/3rds of Hispanic kindergarten students were unable to speak English, which would be about right.In 2005, the California K–12 school system was 48.5 percent Hispanic, compared with 30.9 percent white. By now it is above 50 percent Hispanic. Two-thirds of kindergarten students were Hispanic, most of them unable to speak English.
Now work on this part.illiterate, poorly educated and unskilled parents.
This data doesn't disaggregate into immigrant and US born, though. many Hispanic families have been here for generations.2008-09 Enrollment by Gender, Grade and Ethnic Designation
Kindergarten
Female - Hispanic or Latino 115,223 (51.8 %)
Male - Hispanic or Latino 121,911 (51.1 %)
so just over half of enrolled students are latino/hispanic.
That's the CELDT data for Spanish. What is it for Korean and Vietnamese? Or are those the favored minorities?California English Language Development Test 2008-2009
Annual Assessment - Primary Language-Spanish
Kindergarten
Advanced 54 1.0%
Early Advanced 306 7.0%
Intermediate 1,136 24.0%
Early Intermediate 1,604 35.0%
Beginning 1,537 33.0%
Number Tested 4,637 100.0%
it's a small sample, but most can speak some level of english. i don't know how representative of the population this is, but given the positive skew i *assume* it's relatively accurate.
While I'm terribly impressed that you actually have some sort of statistics and a resource to back up your claims, those figures don't really tell the whole story.Here is my source.
Catching Up to Mexico by Alex Alexiev on National Review / Digital
Maybe the author meant 2/3rds of Hispanic kindergarten students were unable to speak English, which would be about right.
Early Intermediate 1,604 35.0%
Beginning 1,537 33.0%
Thanks for the link seven. I stand corrected then. The correct % is just over half.
Then you start to change your tune, but NO! It's too hard. Must...go...back...to...blaming...illegal...immigrants.Anyway, it isn't really that the immigration population has changed dramatically in the past few generations. It's that our country has changed. We are no longer manufacturing and agricultural based. We are technology and information based and thus need an immigration policy that reflects those needs. Educated immigrants in other words. The continued uncontrolled illegal immigration of unskilled and uneducated workers will only continue to overstrain government services and budgets.
What a coincidence, my superintendent is my source as well..
Maybe the author meant 2/3rds of Hispanic kindergarten students were unable to speak English, which would be about right.
Early Intermediate 1,604 35.0%
Beginning 1,537 33.0%
Anyway, it isn't really that the immigration population has changed dramatically in the past few generations. It's that our country has changed. We are no longer manufacturing and agricultural based. We are technology and information based and thus need an immigration policy that reflects those needs. Educated immigrants in other words. The continued uncontrolled illegal immigration of unskilled and uneducated workers will only continue to overstrain government services and budgets.
...That's the CELDT data for Spanish. What is it for Korean and Vietnamese? Or are those the favored minorities?
But isn't it fun to slap somebody down when they leave themselves open?
Well here's your chance BVS. The worldwide web is at your fingertips.
This was my first reaction as well. I remember reading a couple years back, in the Wall Street Journal, that Hispanic Americans--this is including illegal immigrants--had the highest employment rate of any ethnic group. Yes, at the same time they're also among the least educated overall, hence their relative concentration in low-wage sectors (and financial vulnerability in times like the present), but to me that's first and foremost a comment on wage disparities and their public consequences. Someone's gotta wash the dishes, pick the lettuce, slaughter the cattle, stock the shelves, lay the bricks, fix the sewers...that's not gonna change. Are those who render us those services receiving enough in return for their children to have a meaningful shot at moving into these high-tech growth fields...assuming our education system has what it takes to prepare the next generation for that economic reality in the first place? Importing skilled workers is no sustainable substitute for producing them through your own resources.and our economy is also increasingly service based. undocumented workers also fill these low wage positions in addition to agricultural labor. chances are that the last time you ate out an undocumented worker was in the kitchen. as long as there are jobs available they will continue to come. when the job market contracts they will leave:
erm...indy made a statement about a spanish speaking population, so i looked up the data to see if his argument had any merit. i'll go ahead and assume those snarky questions weren't directed at me. either way, you can follow the link and find the info yourself if you're actually interested.
Ok, 75% of homeschoolers don't like cheese and pledge alligience to a plastic Jesus. Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong.
Someone's gotta wash the dishes, pick the lettuce, slaughter the cattle, stock the shelves, lay the bricks, fix the sewers...that's not gonna change.
Maybe the author meant 2/3rds of Hispanic kindergarten students were unable to speak English, which would be about right.
Early Intermediate 1,604 35.0%
Beginning 1,537 33.0%
If you email this to me, does it make it true?
And these kids are all fluent by first or second grade. It's a very common thing among immigrant groups that kids enter kindergarten not speaking very much English at all since they've spent their entire lives at home. And they all do fine, many of them eventually outperforming the anglo kids. Take a look at the Asian population for an example of children who also have high proportions of no-English at the point of kindergarten entry and then follow them through on their path to Harvard. The inability to speak English at the age of 4 isn't really indicative of anything.
I spoke just passable English until I was 12, somehow magically I managed to do something productive with my immigrant ass anyway.
Golden No Longer
George Will
Sunday, January 10, 2010
WASHINGTON -- Dalton Trumbo (1905-1976) was a hero to the American left, partly because of his 1939 anti-war novel "Johnny Got His Gun." Trumbo's title modified the lyric "Johnny get your gun" from the World War I song "Over There." Trumbo's "Johnny" is horribly maimed in that war. Now we need a novel titled "Berkeley Got Its Liberalism." Pending that, we have Tad Friend's report, in the Jan. 4 New Yorker, on maimed Berkeley.
California, a laboratory of liberalism, is spiraling downward, driven by a huge budget deficit. So the University of California system's budget was cut 20 percent. Then the system increased in-state student fees 32 percent to ... $10,302. But that is still 70 percent below student costs at Stanford and other private institutions in California that Berkeley considers no better than it is.
Last September, Friend reports, 5,000 Berkeley employees and students rallied in Sproul Plaza, scene of protests that ignited the 1960s and helped make Ronald Reagan governor. Some protesters, says Friend, were "naked except for signs that read 'BUDGET TRANSPARENCY.'" At an indoor meeting, a "student facilitator" used a projection screen to summarize proposals, which included: "rolling strikes"; "nationalize all universities"; "socialist revolution"; "a tent city in Sacramento"; "create a shadow Board of Regents"; "occupy Wells Fargo Bank in downtown Oakland"; "worker-student control of the university"; "strike in March"; "act now, f--- March"; "capitalism is bad." Toward the end of the seven-hour meeting, participants shouted "General strike! General strike!"
In its impact on the institution, and on students trying to grip the lower rungs of the ladder of social mobility, the UC system's crisis is sad. This academic year, only one-sixth of the normal number of new faculty have been hired at Berkeley. The Cal State system -- a cut below the UC campuses -- will enroll 40,000 fewer students this year than last. But because the professoriate is overwhelmingly liberal, there is rough justice in its having to live with liberalism's consequences, which include this:
Kevin Starr, author of an eight-volume -- so far -- history of the (formerly) Golden State, says California is "on the verge" of becoming something without an American precedent -- "a failed state." William Voegeli, writing in the Claremont Review of Books, tartly says that "Rome wasn't sacked in a day, and California didn't become Argentina overnight." Indeed.
It took years for liberalism's redistributive itch to create an income tax so steeply progressive that it prompts the flight from the state of wealth-creators: "Between 1990 and 2007," Voegeli writes, "some 3.4 million more Americans moved from California to one of the other 49 states than moved to California from another state."
And the state's income tax -- liberalism codified -- intensifies the effects of business cycles on the state's revenue stream: During booms, the stream surges and stimulates government spending; during contractions, revenues dwindle but the new government spending continues. Voegeli says that if California's spending had grown no faster than population growth and inflation from 1992 to 2006, it would have been $65 billion less in 2006, and per capita government outlays then would have equaled not those of Somalia or Mississippi but of Oregon, which is hardly "a hellish paradigm of Social Darwinism."
It took years for liberalism's mania for micromanaging life with entangling regulations to make California's once creative economy resemble Gulliver immobilized by the Lilliputians' many threads. The state, which between 1990 and 2007 lost 26 percent of its factory jobs and 35 percent of its high-tech manufacturing jobs, ranks behind only New York, another of liberalism's laboratories, in the number of outward-bound moving vans.
It took years for compassionate liberalism to make California's welfare menu contribute to the state becoming an importer of Mexico's poverty.
It took years for servile liberalism to turn the state into what Voegeli calls a "unionocracy," run by and for unionized public employees, such as public safety employees who can retire at 50 and receive 90 percent of the final year's pay for life.
Friend reports that when the seven-hour meeting ended, the protest moved to the UC president's house. Two buses carried "some hundred Berkeley students and members of AFSCME." Perfect.
The American Federation of State, County and Municipal Employees is one reason why California's government employees -- their numbers grew 24 percent between 1997 and 2007 -- are the nation's most highly compensated. And why California's economy is being suffocated by the weight of government. And why the state's budget has little left over for Berkeley.
Good news for California. They now have a chance to elect 2 candidates, Carly Fiorina and Meg Whitman (for governor and U.S. senate) with proven business experience at maximizing efficiency, creating jobs and working within budgets.
pundits on the right and left here in CA
say they got real shots
until someone starts talking about cutting defense, they cannot be taken seriously when it comes to the deficit.
there's not much left to cut. all that's left is defense and entitlements.