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Old 07-11-2012, 09:00 PM   #106
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Of course not. It's out west. Utopia cannot exist outside of the northeastern United States, come on now!
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Old 07-11-2012, 11:04 PM   #107
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one small city in a state of 38 million does not really say much

The city in which I live is completing a new civic center



http://www.bcj.com/public/projects/project/109.html

it is coming in under budget at 127 million
we still have our triple A rating, a balanced budget, with money going into our reserve accounts.
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Old 07-12-2012, 12:32 PM   #108
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Of course not. It's out west. Utopia cannot exist outside of the northeastern United States, come on now!
Neither can good Italian food or deli sandwiches, apparently. Oh well, I suppose it is a trade-off.
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Old 08-16-2012, 08:35 PM   #109
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There Is No California - Victor Davis Hanson - National Review Online

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California’s combined income and sales taxes are among the nation’s highest, but the state’s annual deficit is still about $16 billion. It is estimated that more than 2,000 upper-income Californians are leaving per week to flee high taxes and costly regulations, yet the state government wants to raise taxes even higher. California’s business climate already ranks near the bottom in most surveys. Its teachers are among the highest paid, on average, in the nation, but its public-school students consistently test near the bottom of the nation in both math and science. The state’s public employees enjoy some of the nation’s most generous pensions and benefits, but California’s retirement systems are underfunded by about $300 billion.

“California” is a misnomer. There is no such state. Instead there are two radically different cultures and landscapes with little in common, the two equally dysfunctional in quite different ways. Apart they are unworldly; together, a disaster.

A postmodern narrow coastal corridor runs from San Diego to Berkeley; there the weather is ideal, the gentrified affluent make good money, and values are green and left-wing. This Shangri-La is juxtaposed to a vast impoverished interior, from the southern desert to the northern Central Valley, where life is becoming premodern.

On the coast, blue-chip universities like Cal Tech, Berkeley, Stanford, and UCLA in pastoral landscapes train the world’s doctors, lawyers, engineers, and businesspeople. In the hot interior of blue-collar Sacramento, Turlock, Fresno, and Bakersfield, well over half the incoming freshmen in the California State University system must take remedial math and science classes.

To fathom the nearly unbelievable statistics — as California’s population grew by 10 million from the mid-1980s to 2005, its number of Medicaid recipients increased by 7 million; one-third of the nation’s welfare recipients now reside in California.

On the coast, it’s politically incorrect to talk of illegal immigration. In the interior, residents see first-hand the bankrupting effects on schools, courts, and health care when millions arrive illegally without English-language fluency or a high-school diploma — and send back billions of dollars in remittances to Mexico and other Latin American countries.
Which presidential ticket on the ballot this November is promising higher taxes, more regulation, an energy policy dictated by environmentalists, open borders and is endorsed by public unions? In other words, which presidential candidate wants to emulate California?
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Which presidential ticket on the ballot this November is promising higher taxes, more regulation, an energy policy dictated by environmentalists, open borders and is endorsed by public unions?
That's one way to spin it.
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wow, someone's nervous about Mitt 'n Paul.
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Old 08-16-2012, 08:46 PM   #112
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The best part of that piece? Absolutely no evidence for any of his assertions. Not a shred.

INDY California.
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Old 08-16-2012, 09:56 PM   #113
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The best part of that piece? Absolutely no evidence for any of his assertions. Not a shred.
Best part of your post? Absolutely no specifics on your part. Not a one.

What is false in the piece?
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Which presidential ticket on the ballot this November is promising higher taxes
You mean the higher taxes he wants to enforce on the rich? 'Cause that's the only type of "higher taxes" I've heard him make reference to.

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To fathom the nearly unbelievable statistics — as California’s population grew by 10 million from the mid-1980s to 2005, its number of Medicaid recipients increased by 7 million; one-third of the nation’s welfare recipients now reside in California.
*Sighs*
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Best part of your post? Absolutely no specifics on your part. Not a one.

What is false in the piece?

Didn't say it was false; said there was no evidence. Get it right for once. Just once.
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You mean the higher taxes he wants to enforce on the rich? 'Cause that's the only type of "higher taxes" I've heard him make reference to.
1) I made the Obama connection, not the author.
2) I make that connection because a more progessive tax code is exactly what California has. Millions flee California because of progressive tax system | The Daily Caller

Although to be fair they don't have a millionaire tax yet.
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Didn't say it was false; said there was no evidence.
He made it up then? Whoops, sorry, that's my "nasty internet persona" lashing out.

Pick a fact and I'll see if I can find collaboration.
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1) I made the Obama connection, not the author.
2) I make that connection because a more progessive tax code is exactly what California has. Millions flee California because of progressive tax system | The Daily Caller

Although to be fair they don't have a millionaire tax yet.
1, I know that, I don't think I implied otherwise, did I? If I did, then sorry for the confusion.
2, I can't comment much on California's economy specifically, 'cause the last (and only) time I was there was in 1997 for two weeks, and aside from knowing the state is struggling, I don't know a whole ton about the ins and outs of it all.

But as for that link, while there may well be some businesses that are legitimately hurting by the taxes going up, I'm also sure that there are many people who probably COULD easily pay those taxes, but just don't want to because it might mean parting with some of their precious millions. And I would imagine there are other factors involved in why these businesses are failing and/or moving as well.
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He made it up then? Whoops, sorry, that's my "nasty internet persona" lashing out.

Pick a fact and I'll see if I can find collaboration.
Can you freaking read? You are a troll.
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Can you freaking read? You are a troll.
I said I'd try and provide the evidence for you.
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