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Old 10-05-2009, 12:33 AM   #16
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california has the most creative and innovative minds in the country, mostly due to the high levels of racial/ethnic diversity and social tolerance (and spectacular weather doesn't hurt). being left wing on the left coast is what made it great to begin with. look for it to rebound, as Ali says, through green energy.
Except that high taxes and regulation are driving businesses and middle-class Californians with college degrees out of the state.

And looking into the crystal ball, two-thirds of California's kindergarten students are Hispanic, most unable to speak English with illiterate, poorly educated and unskilled parents.
So buena suerte with your 'What Makes A Society Thrive And Prosper' theories.
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And looking into the crystal ball, two-thirds of California's kindergarten students are Hispanic, most unable to speak English with illiterate, poorly educated and unskilled parents.
So buena suerte with your 'What Makes A Society Thrive And Prosper' theories.
Sounds like the crystal ball of a white male in fear...

Oh no many of these brownies will learn English and become successful, what kind of world will my child grow up in if he's now the minority? Why pick on the innocent? Just sad.
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Except that high taxes and regulation are driving businesses and middle-class Californians with college degrees out of the state.

And looking into the crystal ball, two-thirds of California's kindergarten students are Hispanic, most unable to speak English with illiterate, poorly educated and unskilled parents.
So buena suerte with your 'What Makes A Society Thrive And Prosper' theories.


no, the problem are low taxes compared to the state's generous benefits. they want to be taxed like libertarians and live like socialists. this is a state that has room for San Francisco and San Joaquin, for West Hollywood and Orange County. the wildly creative brains that are attracted to Hollywood and Silicon Valley come because it's a place where they can flourish amongst a DIY culture, where everyone can find a place, where you can bring your partner and your shared health benefits.

so sad you have so little faith in the children of immigrants -- who's parents are hard working, law-abiding, and extremely beneficial to the economy -- to work hard and better themselves in what was once the best State University system in the country.

is your lack of faith because they are brown? or because English isn't their first langauge?
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so sad you have so little faith in the children of immigrants -- who's parents are hard working, law-abiding, and extremely beneficial to the economy -- to work hard and better themselves in what was once the best State University system in the country.

is your lack of faith because they are brown? or because English isn't their first langauge?
But race doesn't play a factor with the tea bag crowd, they don't see color.
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But race doesn't play a factor with the tea bag crowd, they don't see color.

they certainly hear spanish.
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they certainly hear spanish.
I know, and everyone knows Jesus spoke English.
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This is a rather Captain Obvious point, but considering that CA had by far the worst housing bubble in the US, it's unsurprising that they fell particularly hard when the crisis hit.
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I purposely didn't mention I believe one of California's saving graces will actually probably be immigration. Asian immigration or skilled and educated Mexican workers.

Better to watch y'all have your usual meltdown knee-jerk reaction whenever someone dares point out a few uncomfortable facts that don't quite jive with the multiculturalism orthodoxy of the Left.
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Not only is much of Europe lowering taxes while we talk of raising them, but they for the most part have also abandoned the fantasy of green energy in favor of nuclear power.
Tax decreases and tax reforms are something considered in most European states. However, you cannot compare European tax systems with that of California, or better, what they pay for. And they are coming at a high cost most citizens don't even agree with.
And it's, as usual, a bit too black and white to say we are abandoning green power. There is a great debate of letting nuclear power plants run longer and some states are even planning on building new ones, like France or England. But at the same time, we are not abandoning green energy. The goal of 20% being produced by those sources still stands, and is set to increase. We can actually do both, consider nuclear power and green energy. It's called energy mix.
But our great politicians have yet to figure out where to safely deposit the nuclear waste. No country has a solution for that, yet they are all eager to produce even more of that.
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Australia will be the dumping ground for your nukular waste guys. See we have a dream too, only ours glows in the dark.
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Right, after all Australia is where most of our uranium is coming from. And we love to give back.
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Better to watch y'all have your usual meltdown knee-jerk reaction whenever someone dares point out a few uncomfortable facts that don't quite jive with the multiculturalism orthodoxy of the Left.
But you seemed to be the only one "uncomfortable" with them, but nice try.
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Sounds like the crystal ball of a white male in fear...

Oh no many of these brownies will learn English and become successful, what kind of world will my child grow up in if he's now the minority? Why pick on the innocent? Just sad.
is that the best you can do with what he said?

it is extremely narrow-minded to think that what he said is outrightly dismissable. though, to your credit/defence, his POV was poorly put. the essence of his pov, however, is very important if his numbers are even 5 miles from the ballpark.
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california has the most creative and innovative minds in the country, mostly due to the high levels of racial/ethnic diversity and social tolerance (and spectacular weather doesn't hurt). being left wing on the left coast is what made it great to begin with. look for it to rebound, as Ali says, through green energy.
if all these things make it so great, and indeed i'd certainly agree on most of them, then why is it in so much trouble?
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^That's what this long, extensive article failed to elaborate on. It mentioned some factors in passing, but didn't really try to explain.
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