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Old 03-07-2012, 03:33 PM   #16
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Yeah, seems to me if that epithet should be aimed at anyone it should be him. She's not the one who had commitments to his wife and children.
But shouldn't a married man be off limits? It takes two to tango.
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Old 03-07-2012, 03:36 PM   #17
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No one is saying that. But "homewrecker" is always applied to the woman regardless of which of them was actually married, which is bullshit. It takes two to tango.

It was his own home to wreck. She perhaps made a bad choice (and I'm saying "perhaps" because I don't know the whole story), but if you're going to hurl "homewrecker" around, aim it at the appropriate party.
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Old 03-07-2012, 03:39 PM   #18
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going strictly by the information provided and not speculating



he is not even looking at her,
she is the one that appears to be obsessed with him.
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Old 03-07-2012, 03:49 PM   #19
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No one is saying that. But "homewrecker" is always applied to the woman regardless of which of them was actually married, which is bullshit. It takes two to tango.

It was his own home to wreck. She perhaps made a bad choice (and I'm saying "perhaps" because I don't know the whole story), but if you're going to hurl "homewrecker" around, aim it at the appropriate party.
This. I hate the term "homewrecker" because it's used almost always in regards to the "other" woman, regardless of whether she is married or not. Is she right to date a married man? No, but he's the one doing the wrecking.
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Old 03-07-2012, 04:46 PM   #20
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I am reading two daily newspapers now. The second one offered a year subscription for $29.00. That is less than 8 cents a paper. Unbelievable.

Anyways there are stories every week about our CA teachers. I read this one, and said to myself, 'That's not good.' Then realized that was about all I could conclude.

There are other stories, that have more 'parts' to them that make my sigh a little deeper.
I will post those in this thread, because 'school' 'teachers' are universal to our way of life.
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Old 03-07-2012, 04:48 PM   #21
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Here is one story with a few more parts.


Teacher Put on Leave, Accused of Appearing in Porn


Should a teacher lose employment for legal? activities outside of school hours?
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Old 03-07-2012, 06:34 PM   #22
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Depends on the school or school system's rules I guess. I work for a private college that has a very strict sexual harassment policy and had a prof "resign" (as in, you have 5 minutes to resign or we can you) when a student admitted to having a sexual relationship. Two consenting adults, nothing illegal at all, but the school administration makes and enforces its own rules.
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Old 03-07-2012, 08:38 PM   #23
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I'm OK with using this thread to compile articles about teachers breaking societal norms.

And we could pack it full in days because stories like these are so common. To narrow it down, we might just want to stick to CA teachers.
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Old 03-07-2012, 08:53 PM   #24
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One of my highschool teachers got caught peeping on his neighbor and video taping her through her window.
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I think the non-creepy teachers I've had over the years would be more newsworthy.
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Old 03-07-2012, 11:32 PM   #26
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I work for a private college that has a very strict sexual harassment policy and had a prof "resign" (as in, you have 5 minutes to resign or we can you) when a student admitted to having a sexual relationship. Two consenting adults, nothing illegal at all, but the school administration makes and enforces its own rules.
At most public universities, the rule is that faculty are not to engage in romantic/sexual relationships with students towards whom they're acting in any sort of supervisory capacity (teaching, advising, thesis direction etc.). If a faculty member has become involved with a student in a situation where such a conflict of interest exists, s/he is supposed to report it to his/her department chair, who in turn is to come up with a formal plan to resolve the conflict without impairing the student's academic opportunities (for example, is a comparably qualified alternate dissertation panelist available?). So an attempt to accommodate will usually be made, but if no viable arrangement is available, the faculty member will be told s/he must discontinue the relationship for the duration of the supervisory capacity. That's the standard policy, anyway. But firings are pretty rare, and no doubt many "conflicts of interest" never get brought to any administrator's attention at all. Some schools add a clause to the effect that relationships outside any supervisory capacity are also "strongly discouraged"; some don't.

In my experience this is one issue where younger faculty tend to take a more conservative stance than older faculty.
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We are really strict on the no frat rule. I'm not sure why but it's kind of a hot topic here at the moment (not this particular instance but sexual harassment in general). Everyone has to go through training to understand how the college defines it, where to report it, and what the consequences are, and there are several active "committees" on the topic. In this particular instance, the letter from the VP that went out to faculty and administration stated, "the professor resigned rather than face termination" (I can post that quote here since it was also quoted in the media). Of course this was after a legitimate investigation; no one gets fired just based on allegations. Perhaps because it's a fairly conservative private college the administration feels the need to be more strict with conduct in general. All of our major projects are funded by wealthy donors that for the most part are very conservative and old fashioned. Having married professors sleeping with students doesn't exactly help rake in the dough. Students have been excused or placed on probation over things posted on Facebook (not illegal things). I did some digging years back and it's kind of scary how many of our policies are shaped around donor demands.

Personally I don't give a flip what two consenting adults do in their spare time but rules are rules.
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No agendas, just wondering what people thought about it. Is that illegal around here? Or is it more fun to assume that people have agendas and to comment on that? I don't know, just a bit confusing there.

Anyway..the thing that stood out to me right away was that her father had died. Maybe after some time passes she'll see things, and the teacher, more clearly. Could be a case where there are issues with the home situation-the mother's new fiance, etc. Who knows.
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The guy is an outright d-bag, particularly if he targeted this girl while she was still an underage student.
I think that's an interesting word, targeted. Not saying AT ALL that this guy is a pedophile in any way, but the word targeted is used in those cases. In cases of consensual relationships, how can that word apply? Especially when it involves someone in a position of authority, like a teacher.

I wonder how much he initially knew about her home life, her father's death, etc. If he showed personal concern for her and that led to more? How emotionally vulnerable she was, etc. Of course they are going to say that any sexual contact didn't happen until she was 18. Only they know what really happened there. As for the texts, if that happened before 18... I don't know what most school policies are about teachers texting students and having their cell phone numbers. I have heard about things like Facebook contact policies. Even if she was 18 she is still a student, so if there was a policy about that it could be an issue I suppose.
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Personally I don't give a flip what two consenting adults do in their spare time but rules are rules.
I agree with this. It's not really my business. Nobody appears to be getting hurt, and thats all that matters here. Whether or not it's "weird" or "morally wrong" is none of my concern. IMO we should be focusing on actual pedophiles who attack children, not bizarre legal relationships between two consenting adults.
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