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Old 03-29-2017, 09:45 PM   #496
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not a chance in hell a newly fully-independent scotland is going to ask a monarch who rules from london to be their head of state.
Why not? It's not like there's not a precedent for it - joining the Commonwealth doesn't seem like a radical proposition.

Even more interesting to me than Scotland is Northern Ireland. Nobody's going to particularly like a closed border with the Republic, I imagine, but there's no way around it from the UK's standpoint if the Republic is in the EU and has the EU's freedom of movement policies.
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Old 03-29-2017, 09:52 PM   #497
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What's more important on that topic is that there's not exactly a negative sentiment towards the queen in Scotland. It's indeed positive. They're still very much so... British.
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what on earth would be the point of seceding from a kingdom only to turn right back around and ask that king to be keep being your king?

i accept that i could be wrong but i'd be quite surprised if scotland turned into anything other than a parliamentary democracy if it actually goes through with secession. sure, they could certainly join the commonwealth (and remain in the eu) for the trade and historic ties, but that doesn't require the queen to be the head of state. south africa and india are both presidential republics in the commonwealth.
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Old 03-30-2017, 04:01 AM   #499
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Tradition? The British are incredibly traditional. Inclusive of the Scottish. That's just how people are, there. They absolutely love the queen, for reasons I still don't understand.
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They're still very much so... British.
you might not want to say that out loud in Scotland
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Tradition? The British are incredibly traditional. Inclusive of the Scottish. That's just how people are, there. They absolutely love the queen, for reasons I still don't understand.
as a Brit, i think the Queen is lovely, but the monarchy is just completely outdated and excessive in this day and age - i would be happy for the monarchy to end after Lizzie passes - really wouldn't be bothered about Charles taking over tbh

i think Britain is fairly split over the monarchy...
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charles grew up in the environment of "the crown" and has waited long enough that he'll definitely be king, unless he dies before his mother does. as far as william and george go, i'm not entirely sure either of them will be king, although i think it is more likely than not that the monarchy is here to stay until it stops making so much money for britain.
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Been keeping an eye on all this. Rather crazy, too, i m h o.
Just took a quick glance at a little note on Gibraltar, too, with Spain wanting it to become part of their country.
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Old 05-09-2017, 10:53 AM   #505
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brexit is utter, utter madness.

the UK is in complete shambles with the political landscape a clusterfuck of toffs trying to rip apart the state, rivalled only by labour and their complete inept leader.

a terrible shame, i see no positive way out of this. keep in mind that within 2 years, the uk will have had to establish the following:

a) a new economic pact with the EU, requiring the vast majority of EU members to sign off on

b) a solution the the northern ireland border with the republic

c) a small matter of the tens of billions of pounds the UK is presently obligated to pay the EU in the form of existing and ongoing projects (infrastructure initiatives, etc), pensions, etc

and nevermind many other "smaller" issues such as the fact that so much of existing UK law (such as regulatory measures on health and safety, etc) is mirrored on EU law, sensitive government data sharing with regards to terrorism/threats from Russia, etc...

at the end of the day, i expect no deal to be put in place and that WTO rules on tarrifs will be in place. this doesn't benefit anyone.

argh. absolutely fucking stupid...

i'm sure this has already been posted, but this makes for interesting reading: https://www.theguardian.com/technolo...cked-democracy
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as for the monarchy in scotland, should they leave, there has been a fair bit of talk of sturgeon and co holding a referendum on it.

i think that's relatively fair, even though referendums (and indeed elections) are typically decided by cretins, morons and douchebags.
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