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Old 06-23-2016, 01:34 PM   #16
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the winning side, will win with a 51-53%, most likely
remain,
the killing probably swayed enough weak minded people to get the win. There are arguments on both sides, if I had a vote, I'd probably vote exit. Opens boarders is a nice concept, but in practice a disaster, benefiting those at the top and hurting honest working class people. Any of you that think it is a good idea, take the doors off of your house and let people come in and sleep in your home and use your possessions, just because they have less than you.

eventually the EU will blow up, so better for Britain to exit.
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I don't think the killing has much say domestically in the UK. I think it just internationally opened some eyes as to the sort of reasons (or lack thereof) and the type of people who would be on the exit side. Nationalistic sort...
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Old 06-23-2016, 02:54 PM   #18
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and who is on the remain side??

these people that want open immigration, so they can express their political views in the following ways

2013 29 April: Pavlo Lapshyn attacks. Lapshyn, a Ukrainian student and right-wing extremist, stabbed Mohammed Saleem, a Birmingham resident to death. He later admitted to police that he wished to start a "race war".[26] Lapshyn later detonated a home-made bomb outside a mosque in Walsall on 21 June. 150 homes were evacuated but no person was injured.[26] On 28 May Lapshyn detonated a second home-made bomb near a mosque in Wolverhampton, and attacked a mosque in Tipton with an improvised explosive device containing nails on 12 July. Friday prayers were delayed that day, and so his intended victims were still inside. Laphsyn was later sentenced to serve a minimum of 40 years.[27][28][29]
2013 22 May: A British soldier, Lee Rigby, was murdered in an attack in Woolwich by Michael Adebolajo and Michael Adebowale, two Islamist extremists armed with a handgun and a number of bladed implements. Both men were sentenced to life imprisonment, with Adebolajo given a whole life order and Adebowale ordered to serve at least 45 years.[30]
2015 5 December: Three people are stabbed at Leytonstone tube station in east London, with one person suffering severe knife injuries; police subsequently announced that they were treating the stabbings as a 'terrorist incident'.[31] Video footage emerged following the stabbing of the attacker repeatedly shouting "this is for Syria", in reference to the Royal Air Force's bombing of the Islamic State in Syria, which had commenced on 3 December after parliamentary approval.[32]

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2007 29 June: London car bombs.
2009 3 September : Manchester Piccadilly multiple suicide bomber plot.[40] In 2009 Pakistani national Abid Naseer, was one of 12 suspects arrested on suspicion of being part of a Manchester Terror cell, after arriving in the UK a year before. All were released on insufficient evidence, but ordered to be deported from the UK. Naseer's deportation to Pakistan was prevented on human rights grounds, as he was ruled 'likely to be mistreated'. In 2013, on further evidence from Al-Queda sources, including documents from the Bin Laden Raid, he was extradited to the US, and on 4 March 2015 was found guilty of masterminding an Al-Queda directed plot to synchronize multiple suicide bombings around Manchesters Arndale Centre and Piccadilly Shopping centre in a coordinated attack involving other locations including the New York Subway with other cells.
2012 June: Five extremists plotted to bomb an English Defence League rally in Dewsbury but arrived late and were arrested when returning to Birmingham. A sixth was also convicted.[41]
2013 April: As part of Operation Pitsford 11 Muslim extremists are jailed for a plotting terror attack involving suicide Bombers.[42]
2015 12 Feb : Liverpool Ricin Plot:[43] Mohammed Ammar Ali, an I.T. worker who rented a flat in Liverpool as a base of operations, attempted to buy 500 mg of Ricin, which could kill an possible 1,400 people, using the darkweb. He was instead delivered a white powder by the FBI. Evidence was also found of attempts to purchase rabbits or chinchillas to test the poison out on.
2015 7 July : Attempted anniversary London 7/7 bomb plot.[44] Mohammed Rehman and Sana Ahmed Khan were found guilty of possession of 10 kg of Urea Nitrate. Rehman called himself the 'silent bomber' and asked his twitter followers to choose between the Westfield Shopping Centre or the London Underground for the planned suicide bomb.
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Oh boy. I can't wait to digest this deep post.
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Old 06-23-2016, 03:09 PM   #20
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it is just that there are haters on both sides
that killing did flip a few votes, and this election appears to be very close

don't think there are not haters voting for Hillary, if that killer in FL had waited until after the election to murder those kids, he would have certainly been all in for Hillary along with his hating family.
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it is just that there are haters on both sides

that killing did flip a few votes, and this election appears to be very close



don't think there are not haters voting for Hillary, if that killer in FL had waited until after the election to murder those kids, he would have certainly been all in for Hillary along with his hating family.

I don't think it will be close. But we will find out very soon.

I'm curious, who do you know changed their mind over that killing?

And this "haters" lingo... did I miss something? I don't even know what you mean.
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a prominent U K politician made a very public announcement that after that event she had to change from 'exit' to 'remain'

that guy who killed her is a murderer, extremist, hater, etc.

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I think it just internationally opened some eyes as to the sort of reasons (or lack thereof) and the type of people who would be on the exit side.
painting supporters of 'exit' with a broad brush as haters or bigots is lazy and dishonest, I am seeing it here, along with our current U S election
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a prominent U K politician made a very public announcement that after that event she had to change from 'exit' to 'remain'

that guy who killed her is a murderer, extremist, hater, etc.

painting supporters of 'exit' with a broad brush as haters or bigots is lazy and dishonest, I am seeing it here, along with our current U S election

You hardly answered any of my questions.

I'm also not "painting with a broad brush." You're the one claiming that an extremist murder made people change their views, as though the exit crowd is represented by a lunatic.

The point still stands: exiting the EU is a move built on nationalism. Something of which is far bigger and more complex in the United Kingdom than it is here.
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Looks like Leave is doing better than expected in initial results.

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All I've heard is that predictions point to Stay, based on polling. But that was just on a brief news report.
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All I've heard is that predictions point to Stay, based on polling. But that was just on a brief news report.


A report I just saw here across the pond is that early results favor brexit.
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If the "remain" vote wins out this time, would that lead to a potentially even more concerted effort by the "leave" side to push for this issue to come up again in the future? Or would the "leave" supporters still try and influence UK policy in other ways as a means of protesting the decision to stay (if that makes sense)?
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Did better than expected in an urban but still hillbilly upside down Newcastle upon Tyne, sure. They still chose remain.

But you haven't seen any urban results yet. When London/Manchester/Glasgow/Endinburgh/Birmingham etc start pouring in, it'll paint a better picture.
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Leave over-performing according to commentators on early results.


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painting supporters of 'exit' with a broad brush as haters or bigots is lazy and dishonest, I am seeing it here, along with our current U S election
Nice to see Trump's divisive and hateful bluster has emboldened you to say stuff like this.
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