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Old 06-26-2016, 08:42 PM   #241
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It would be interesting to see what the result might have been under compulsory voting.
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How do you enforce compulsory voting? Tax penalty?
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Old 06-26-2016, 09:06 PM   #243
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How do you enforce compulsory voting? Tax penalty?

Here you get fined, though it's a pretty modest fine.
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Old 06-26-2016, 09:10 PM   #244
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Sometimes I really like the idea of compulsory voting. Then I remember only 36% of Americans can name our three branches of government...


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it's really unclear - it's a question of executive/legislative power re. UK constitutional obligations - some are saying that in Britain it has to go thru parliament so as to become law, although i am also now hearing that it is a government decision which can be submitted to parliament for a vote - guess we will have to wait and see!

apparently parliament could still ignore Brexit though, if the majority are Remain as the referendum isn't legally binding - although there would be a huge political backlash if parliament were to do so

basically, we have no leaders and no answers right now, and bloody Boris is still seemingly vying for power while retracting his promises and making mutually incompatible claims (access to single market + points-system immigration)
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Old 06-26-2016, 09:34 PM   #247
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Compulsory or not, it shouldn't be on a regular Tuesday when people -- except for the olds -- have to work. Make it a federal holiday.
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Old 06-27-2016, 01:23 AM   #249
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Compulsory or not, it shouldn't be on a regular Tuesday when people -- except for the olds -- have to work. Make it a federal holiday.
Or just put it on the weekend. Saturday works well in Australia and New Zealand, and we now also have an extensive system of postal and pre-polling with very high uptake.

What time do US polls close? I notice the UK at least tries to ameliorate problems for working people with their Thursday elections by running the polls until 10pm. Down here polls close at 6pm and we usually know the result by 10.
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Depends on the state. I think as early as 6 pm for a federal election. As late as 8 pm. Don't quote me on that, but I would say 7 pm is probably the most common time.

If the state spans multiple time zones, the whole state might be open later. Or the polls might close in certain districts later on a UTC scale.
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Old 06-27-2016, 02:41 AM   #251
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I shouldn't be surprised that it's not consistent.

Is there any restriction on broadcasting results while the polls are still open in some states? I feel like I remember something about this. In Australia, the close of polls at 6pm is based on local time, so those in the west close two hours after the eastern states, but counting and coverage starts straight away. In 2007 that meant Kevin Rudd's landslide victory had already been called before Western Australia even finished voting.
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Exit polls and official vote counts can't be released until the last polls have shut in that particular state. So yes, we can see results before all polls are closed nationwide. But per state, only.

In the US we have a pretty good distribution of population among swing states. Sometimes an election can be called before everyone is done in like Hawaii and Alaska I imagine... but very rarely. Usually counting on Florida, Ohio, Colorado, and all of the swing states tends to go past midnight EST. I honestly don't recall when prior elections have wrapped up. 2009 probably was fast and might've been done before a few states.
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On the matter of calling polls, I've always thought that in any nation large enough to have multiple timezones, anything of this sort should be flat out prohibited until after the latest polling area has closed. The purpose of voting is, what do you want, not what winning horse can you see already ahead.
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Thanks.
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no no, i'm a British resident in France - currently feeling like a child whose parents have just announced their divorce and i have no clue who will have custody of me (or my family)
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On the matter of calling polls, I've always thought that in any nation large enough to have multiple timezones, anything of this sort should be flat out prohibited until after the latest polling area has closed. The purpose of voting is, what do you want, not what winning horse can you see already ahead.

Well, in the US, we are very much so broken into our states. What your saying is true... for the states. Thing is, each state is winner take all. So, what you're describing... for most Americans their vote "doesn't mean anything" already. I mean, not that it's not important for them all to vote, but for example... the race definitely won't be called before Texas is done voting. But before the polls even open, Texas is a red state. So why does anyone in Texas vote at all? Every single delegate in Texas will be winner take all awarded to the republicans. Why should excess republicans bother to vote, or democrats vote at all?

While that's a downfall, it paints a more important picture to why I don't necessarily agree with what you're saying. The electoral college allows for votes to be important in any swing state, and it has little or nothing to do with where you're located in terms of time zones. This would only be a big deal were Hawaii or Alaska swing states. But they're not, they're solid blue and red respectively.
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