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Old 06-25-2016, 12:21 AM   #211
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I'll let you know when I meet my first Trump voter here in PA.

I live near Wilkes-Barre, PA. Luzerne County is a historically bellwether county for the state in presidential elections. Trump is currently 51-34 in Luzerne.


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Old 06-25-2016, 03:58 AM   #212
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I just enjoy the idea that Northern Irish people who support a unified Ireland were allowed to fuck over mainland Britain without having it directly impact them.
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As a Belgian I'm probably programmed to love the EU. So this makes me sad. I wager they'll miss us more than we'll miss them.

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I live near Wilkes-Barre, PA. Luzerne County is a historically bellwether county for the state in presidential elections. Trump is currently 51-34 in Luzerne.


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well, that settles it then. better start sending backhoes to the mexican border.
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Confirmed rumour: Trump to sweep important swing states of Pennsylvania, Ohio and Scotland.
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Confirmed rumour: Trump to sweep important swing states of Pennsylvania, Ohio and Scotland.

Trump is going to build a huge wall between Scotland and England.

Waaaait...
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How on earth are British Labour managing to turn an event that should be a circular firing squad for the Tories into an excuse for their own infighting. Good grief.
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Old 06-26-2016, 07:38 AM   #218
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Absolutely lost it at Hilary Benn getting sacked. What an embarrassing fool, his father would be ashamed of him.
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Old 06-26-2016, 09:18 AM   #219
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this is unprecedented... right now it's unclear as to whether a Brexit will actually go ahead as the executive power has to invoke Article 50 - what NO ONE mentioned in the run-up to the referendum was the fact that Article 50 is invoked according to the EU Member State's own constitutional requirements, which, in Britain, apparently means it has to be passed as an act of parliament - i.e., the Head of State (no clue who this will actually be as no-one seems keen to pick up that poisoned chalice, maybe unless Corbyn gets elected as PM) cannot legally invoke Article 50 unless parliament agrees... Scotland, Northern Ireland and Wales may also have a veto on this as it involves their EU rights... so not looking as clear cut as an out vote - maybe there is a glimmer of hope that Britain will remain in the EU, and, if so, all this will have been a right royal epic global storm in a fucking tea cup

(but no one reaaaally knows for sure)
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How on earth are British Labour managing to turn an event that should be a circular firing squad for the Tories into an excuse for their own infighting. Good grief.
it's no surprise at all - Labour are a mess - when swathes of the population who were traditionally Labour voters veer to the far right due to massive disconnect, then there is a major problem

plus Corbyn has been "MIA" in this whole debacle
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How on earth are British Labour managing to turn an event that should be a circular firing squad for the Tories into an excuse for their own infighting. Good grief.

It was only a matter of (short) time until Corbyn got the boot, so this really isn't surprising.


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I think a new PM will take power and follow the will of the people. It was politics that put England in so it seems fitting that politics can take them out. Norway is out, Switzerland too. I do realize England is an outsized member of the 28 , that is one of the problems, each country will start to evaluate if they are giving more than they are receiving. I understand why England being in is way better for Germany and France. England carries the weight for the E Us defense. Also as a richer nation with the 2nd largest economy in the EU, they contribute plenty.



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I don't think anyone knows what exactly is "the will of the people".
The people have been lied to and are now faced with leaderships crises in the two main political parties and 2 of the 4 nations objecting to being dragged into this.
What do the people want?
(Well what do they want besides hunting anyone who looks slightly foreign off the island as has become a sickening trend these last couple of days.)
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I don't think anyone knows what exactly is "the will of the people".

What do the people want?
(Well what do they want besides hunting anyone who looks slightly foreign off the island as has become a sickening trend these last couple of days.)
A well known referendum with a very healthy turnout doesn't count ?
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A well known referendum with a very healthy turnout doesn't count ?
Except the polls are now suggesting that most people have a serious case of buyer's remorse due to (a) not understanding the implications of leaving and (b) believing that other people weren't actually going to vote "Leave". What a ridiculous situation.

I actually find this referendum to be largely undemocratic (while at the same time not believing that the UK leaving is actually a huge deal). The old people who will live out the fewest year affected by the change overwhelmingly voted to Leave. Meanwhile those who have decades left overwhelmingly voted to Remain. They are the ones who will be left with the aftermath of a decision they do not support.
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