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Old 06-24-2016, 08:46 AM   #151
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Can't wait for him to suggest that America should leave the EU too.
You are not too far off.


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Old 06-24-2016, 08:48 AM   #152
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There's probably a lot of them in Pennsyltucky.
The majority of the state's population lives outside of there, so I'm not too worried.

I did have one uncle from central PA who said he would vote for Trump because he was sure that once he secured the primary, he'd work his way back to the center. That of course has not happened so I don't know where he stands.
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Old 06-24-2016, 09:11 AM   #153
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Am I correct in understanding that Northern Irish citizens could vote for the United Kingdom to leave the EU, while still having the option to retain their own personal memberships to the EU due to their dual citizenship via the Good Friday Agreement?
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Old 06-24-2016, 09:29 AM   #154
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Well crap. I'm devastated. My husband and I work at a UK university that is heavily dependent on EU students, EU staff, and EU partnerships and funding. We've been getting reports of some of our EU students receiving racial abuse today. It's just awful. I've not been to Scotland yet but it's looking more and more appealing...
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Old 06-24-2016, 09:49 AM   #155
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Scotland seceding would still be a bad idea for them, an extraordinarily heavy cost to pay for nationalism. Are they going to leave and then reapply for entry to the EU, hoping to get onto the Euro even though they have little economic prospects on their own? That scenario would actually illustrate wonderfully a major problem with the EU: a willingness to take on states (e.g. Greece) that have no hope of catching up with the larger economies in the area.
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Old 06-24-2016, 09:49 AM   #156
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That's awful to hear, but it's good "seeing" you again.
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Old 06-24-2016, 10:11 AM   #157
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What I keep thinking about the EU is that its main benefits can be had even if it didn't exist as a formal entity. There is no reason why Europe can't have free movement and free trade among sovereign states. It could do these things without the single currency and Euro central bank that have caused so much tension.
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Old 06-24-2016, 10:12 AM   #158
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I only have 1 kid, so you'd not even notice the missing money out of your fortune.


it's a fortune only in Bernie Math.
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Old 06-24-2016, 10:29 AM   #159
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Am I correct in understanding that Northern Irish citizens could vote for the United Kingdom to leave the EU, while still having the option to retain their own personal memberships to the EU due to their dual citizenship via the Good Friday Agreement?
Yes this is true.

I have and Irish and a British passport and live in London so will simultaneously be an EU citizen and not and EU citizen. The same applies to anyone in the UK (inc N Ireland) with dual Irish/British citizenship.
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Old 06-24-2016, 11:29 AM   #160
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Yes this is true.

I have and Irish and a British passport and live in London so will simultaneously be an EU citizen and not and EU citizen. The same applies to anyone in the UK (inc N Ireland) with dual Irish/British citizenship.
I just enjoy the idea that Northern Irish people who support a unified Ireland were allowed to fuck over mainland Britain without having it directly impact them.
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Old 06-24-2016, 12:15 PM   #161
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I also think it's way too simple to say the pro-leave voters are all nationalist xenophobes. The campaign was ugly, but the issues are very complex. Just how are you going to integrate millions of migrants and refugees? There was just an example in the Swiss media the other day about a single mom working two jobs trying to get by and making less than an immigrant family from Ethiopia in which nobody works. Can one really blame people for getting angry?
Just today 4500 people were picked up in the Mediterranean. I want to help as much as the next person but how can this be sustainable long-term?
Today I am reminded of this passage:

“It may well be impossible for people who have lived and prospered under a given social system to imagine the point of view of those who feel it offers them nothing, and who can contemplate its destruction without any particular dismay.” ― Michel Houellebecq, Submission
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Old 06-24-2016, 01:51 PM   #162
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I just enjoy the idea that Northern Irish people who support a unified Ireland were allowed to fuck over mainland Britain without having it directly impact them.

It's not very many people. And I'm not sure either vote fucks over mainland Britain. Either way, this referendum was England's fault.
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I saw a mention of a Guardian article that claimed it seemed to be a fear of immigration driving the Leave vote, not immigration itself, that towns with recent immigration voted for Stay.

I poked around their site but it was hard to tell where to find that article. Anyone see links to that one?
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Old 06-24-2016, 03:41 PM   #165
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My retirement savings would like any of the Brexit supporters to go fuck themselves.
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