Kieran McConville
ONE love, blood, life
It was Eisenhower btw, not Truman.
Pedantic yes, but, well, the little things matter.
Pedantic yes, but, well, the little things matter.
If someone is offended by Mike Huckabee they gotta get your head checked. He seems like a down-to-earth reasonable man who can listen and carry a conversation on many topics. He is very far from 'foaming at the mouth' types.
Effective at what? A rock star's job is to be effective at being a rock star -- i.e., at making music.
Please don't lump all 'religions' in the same pile.
Not sure if you're being glib or not, but this is probably true in many ways. At least he's more conservative than he used to be.
You haven't heard Bono, who sits on the board of a private equity firm, say anything about Occupy Wall Street. And you won't.
Rachel D. said:I was just joking, but yeah, most celebrities can't say anything about the Flea Party protests because they're in the evil 1%.
Fair enough. You may be right! I'm glad someone has taken time to actually engage with the issues I raised. Compliments.Armstrong's currency as a celebrity included the rapport he had built up with "the enemy". Had he not done that, noone would have paid attention to him. He leveraged his position for good. Bono's currency as a celebrity isn't much different.
You can retain your soul and your street cred with your people (or, fans) all you want...but if you want the majority of the world to pay attention when you speak, you have to have attempted to bridge the gap between you and them beforehand. In so doing, there will always be people who will call you a sell out/uncle Tom, etc. That's how regressive minds work.
Yes, that's exactly what I was saying, earlier -- it essentially comes down to an "ends vs. means" disagreement. If -- and it's a big "if" -- this is as simple as life vs. death, as you think, then of course I'll take your position and accept the means as justifying the preferable ends. But I don't think it's that simple, as I tried to illustrate earlier by way of analogy. There does come a point in negotiating and in forming strange bed-fellows where the goals of the end get lost in the means, I think. Not necessarily with politicians (which Bono is not), but particularly with artists. Personally, I think it is important for artists to lead by example of honesty and truth, rather than to lead by cleverness and negotiation. The U2 of the 1980s would probably agree with me, and Bono today would clearly agree with you. I don't profess to have the answer to this issue, but I simply think it's worth discussion, whereas your reactionary position precludes even this.Their motivations don't matter, what matters is the result.
Again, I don't have a "way". I'm not arguing for anything, and I'm not hopeful of swaying Bono (or you). I'm simply willing to engage in a discussion about an interesting issue. By contract, you have literally turned your brain off to even considering any alternate positions.I'm sorry, but in this instance your way is wrong
The Panther said:For Last Unicorn and BVS:
This was BVS's exact statement: "But one thing I've learned, is that fans would rather their rock stars to look cool than be effective."
As you see, BVS referred to "rock stars", not to people in general. If I'm going to talk about, for example, plumbers being effective, are you going to assume that I meant an effective plumber is someone who is good at origami?
Of course it is! It's my attempt to explain your and Last Unicorn's mis-interpretation of my remark. In order to make it clearer, I made a one dimensional statement. However, you've still missed it.Words escape me, that's truly some one dimensional thinking.
The Panther said:Of course it is! It's my attempt to explain your and Last Unicorn's mis-interpretation of my remark. In order to make it clearer, I made a one dimensional statement. However, you've still missed it.
By the way, what was the point of your post, other than to insult me?
Here's a picture of Bono with Tim Tebow, to make people feel better-or maybe not.