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Old 01-18-2009, 06:45 PM   #1
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Bono confronts Obama, America on Israeli-Palestinian conflict

I've seen a few mentions regarding Bono's mentioning of "the Palestinian dream" during tonight's set and thought it deserved its own thread.

I was there and I work in politics in DC and can assure you this was a very bold and controversial remark considering the setting. I had seen the rehearsal video and noted the Palestinian mention. Today, there was a long pause before he went there because Bono knows he was pushing the envelope.

This was significant because so few in DC and elsewhere in the US, particularly in the church, bother to think critically about the situation. Frankly, we prefer not to think about it. The Palestinians are on the back of the international bus, so to speak.

I could offer lots of commentary but my point is to get us as U2 fans to ask ourselves why Bono would use the occassion to raise this issue. Whether you consider yourself to be "pro-Israeli" or "pro-Palestinian" the current trajectory for both sides, and the United States, is misery, destruction and bitterness - terrific recruiting tools for terrorists.

If this is a season for change, that means debating ideas thoughtfully ... few topics are more important for us to debate. Thanks to Bono for using his platform to make us uncomfortable ...
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Old 01-18-2009, 06:50 PM   #2
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Bono's the man. He did the right thing because his actions are both peaceful and hard to ignore.
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what palestinian dream? to wipe Israel off the face of the map...
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Old 01-18-2009, 06:52 PM   #4
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what palestinian dream? to wipe Israel off the face of the map...
C'mon. These last eight years in America proved that crazy government != will of the people inside of it, the real victims.

Their dream is peace and stability and equal respect, same as the rest of us.
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what palestinian dream? to wipe Israel off the face of the map...
What are you doing in here? I can already see that your mind is freed...
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Old 01-18-2009, 06:55 PM   #6
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I guess I don't really see any controversy here. If the point of what one is saying is about peace and unity and living as one, etc etc etc, if you're going to mention an ongoing conflict/war, of course you're going to mention both sides.

And I don't think it tells the whole story to say that Bono only mentioned Israel in the rehearsal footage we saw/heard. Did he do everything word for word at the rehearsal? Did Biden get a shout-out at rehearsal as well?

What am I missing? Or am I just tired of overanalyzing everything that comes out of Bono's mouth, musical notes or words? (and if I am, boy is it going to be a looooooooooong year.)
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what palestinian dream? to wipe Israel off the face of the map...
Just like the American dream is to rule the Middle East?

Oh wait, that's right, governments don't always reflect the views of the citizens of their country.
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I would like to see a link to the exact quotes.
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Old 01-18-2009, 07:08 PM   #9
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Ok, I made a bit of a overstatement, but there is much anti-israeli sentiment in that country. Not to mention an endless supply of people willing to lob mortars and missles into isreal. Ive seen isreal and palestine before. It aint pretty.
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Financeguy -

You remember on the Vertigo tour how between Pride and Streets he'd talk about "... not just an American dream, but an African dream" etc etc?

That's what he did here. An African dream, an Israeli dream, (PAUSE FILLED WITH POLITICAL CONTROVERSY) a Palestinian dream.

That's all it was.
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I'm personally glad he mentioned it, albeit in passing, as he was making a very crucial point - we shouldn't forget the people suffering in the world (he mentioned Africa too) while we in the West celebrate, and we should respect their wish (the civilians, not the governments) for peace too.
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That's what he did here. An African dream, an Israeli dream, (PAUSE FILLED WITH POLITICAL CONTROVERSY) a Palestinian dream.

That's all it was.
I have to confess that during the pause, I was shouting at the tv "SAY IT! SAY IT!"


And then I cheered when he did. Not out of some hope that Israel would be "wiped away" but because there are two sides to every story, and both sides must be heard.
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I think the word confronts as used in the title of this thread is a little misleading.

Mentioned, perhaps. Speechified in a Bono-esque way? Sure. But not confronts.
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I have to confess that during the pause, I was shouting at the tv "SAY IT! SAY IT!"


And then I cheered when he did. Not out of some hope that Israel would be "wiped away" but because there are two sides to every story, and both sides must be heard.
Same here, as no one else was alluding to it...
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we shouldn't forget the people suffering in the world (he mentioned Africa too) while we in the West celebrate,
Celebrating peaceful democracy, no less. Celebrating the inclusion of all US citizens in the political process.
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