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Old 01-18-2009, 08:34 PM   #31
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I've never really been aware of the US supporting Israel, so this latest round of conflict and the resulting conversations have been eye-opening to me.

Just one of those things outside my realm of knowledge and awareness.
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It's akin to the Iraq thing where the US thinks one way and the whole rest of the world thinks another way. Except whereas you still had a pretty loud anti-war contingent in the US, when it comes to the I/P conflict, it's much different so it makes it seem like even the US populace is very right wing on this issue (though it may not be the case, who knows).
That's because there's a mentality here that if you have any sympathy towards the Palestinians or say anything critical of Israel, you're an anti-Semite.

When I was in college, there was this Muslim group that often showed films and held rallies for the Palestinians, and the college Hilet (sp?) said those actions were anti-Semitic, simply because they criticized Israel.
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That's because there's a mentality here that if you have any sympathy towards the Palestinians or say anything critical of Israel, you're an anti-Semite.
Geez, really? Nuts to that bullshit.
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By confront I mean simply that he was challenging the incoming president and the American people, who want "change", to remember that there are two sides to the conflict. Many Americans and US politicians believe, out of ignorance and political expediency, that Israel is always right and that all Palestinians are terrorists. I suspect Bono considers that view to be idiotic politically and heretical from a faith (Christian) perspective.

Bono was implying that most Palestinians abhor terrorism and want peace just like Israelis. I suspect he also believes that Israel is doing a lot in the name of "security" to make themselves insecure. For instance, Israel has had a de facto blockade on Gaza for a long, long time. Obviously, they have very important and valid reasons to tightly control their borders but denying moderate Palestinians the chance to travel, get an education, etc. is counter-productive. Others use terms like apartheid to describe the situation.
Thanks for clarifying the nature of the conflict and Bono's probable intentions for me.



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Bono's success rate in solving world problems = 5% - give him a bit of credit for Northern Ireland

This palestinian comment wont change that stat
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Old 01-18-2009, 08:40 PM   #36
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Geez, really? Nuts to that bullshit.
Its the same in the uk from experience

you say anything pro palestine and they think you are a crazy islamic preacher

but the actions of israel are twisted by crazy people who feed a load of crap to young people who have no idea on the issue and then they end up hating the uk which leads to horrors like the london underground attacks

by the way is Ariel Sharron still alive?
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Old 01-18-2009, 08:42 PM   #37
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That was the top moment in the song. I was so happy when he said that because I have been behind Palestine's case since forever. And it was very self-assuring to see Bono come out like that and say that. It really was a breath of fresh air amongst all the "Us and Them" banter we've got going on these days. We are one. Let it be.. let it be.
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by the way is Ariel Sharron still alive?
Apparently, he is. Wow, that guy must've been in a coma for three years now.
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And I seriously question whether you have actually been to the West Bank or Gaza, (or even Israel for that matter, since it seems you don't know how to spell it) and compared their miserable quality of life of even the middle class Palestinian to the quality of life of a poor or lower class Israeli. No comparison. Apartheid still exists in this world, in the form of Israelis control over the Palestinians every movement. Its just that the US government will never recognize this.
sorry for the misspelling I was in a rush. I know, they live in poverty, etc. The troops ar their because Israel is afraid, especially after the intifada. A lot of Israelies live in fear. And I am also aware of the Palestinian side.
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My parents often travel abroad, and usually to Europe. Almost every time they come back, they report on how Europeans say to them, "You Americans need to stop supporting Israel 100%!"
There's quite a fine line about what the Europeans say. Israel is our only friend in the middle east. (Debate that if you will.) I don't know if we are Israel's only friend, but it certainly feels that way sometimes.
Additionally, Israel is surrounded by countries whose leaders who feel like they don't have a right to be there at all. I'm not just talking about the Palestinian territory.
I almost feel like if the United States stops "supporting" Israel, or claims that they are doing something wrong it will lead to an open invitation for any of those countries to do what they wish. It's almost like Israel is our little sister who is being bullied by the older, 6th graders with big rocks. You want her to stand up on her own two feet, but you know that those bullies can plow her down at any moment.
I have a great fear that Israel will be nuked one day and I'll never speak to my very good friend again. One bomb would be all that takes to destroy it, size wise. Who will retaliate in a war they really want no part of? Us, of course.

I've thought about this quite a lot in the past few weeks. You can say that I am a pretty ardent supporter of Israel in general (I wish my mom would have gone through with her bat mitzvah so I could make use of the birthright trip ) and their right to exist, but what they have done in the past few weeks has weakened them far more than they will ever know. Damned if you do, damned it you don't.
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I have a great fear that Israel will be nuked one day and I'll never speak to my very good friend again. One bomb would be all that takes to destroy it, size wise.
Where exactly in Israel could you drop a nuke without killing off large parts of the Arab countries/territories that surround it? Or is this fear based on the assumption that they're all ready to martyr themselves?
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Damned if you do, damned it you don't.
I think this sums up the whole Israeli-Palestinian conflict. If you support the Palestinians, you're anti-Semitic. If you support Israel, you're anti-Muslim.

I think both sides have the right to exist. But the way Israel has been acting lately - with taking away all Palestinian rights and settling in the wrong areas thus violating international law, and now what's been going on recently - has been hurting their cause. But at the same time, the Palestinians need to stop blowing themselves up or sending bombs into Israel. Neither side is acting wisely. Its best to be neutral.
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I'm not a nuclear physicist, but I'm sure there are nukes with limited reach. Not to say its effect will have "corners" when it explodes either. Let's just say that one well placed bomb would disable Israel.

And I resent the martyr comment. I have Muslim friends and I consistently defend Islamic faith whenever I hear others speak ill of it. I know what true Islam is and what these fanatics have made it seem like to outsiders.
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I'm not a nuclear physicist, but I'm sure there are nukes with limited reach.
There may be a limited reach in the immediate physical destruction.

But the radiation resulting therefrom would not discriminate between Israeli and Palestinian and Egyptian and Jordanian bodies, etc.
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Fine, not nukes. Why is this an issue? A well placed fire can destroy a forest. If they want it destroyed, they will find a way to do it. Who ever thought that two passenger aircrafts could debilitate a city?
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