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Old 02-18-2014, 11:44 PM   #31
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Which is not to say there isn't a very, very small percentage of the population that truly struggles with this and deserves empathy, counseling and reassignment surgery or hormone therapy when warranted. This can be done on a personal level however.
I'm curious what the distinction is between the personal level and a broader level that allows one to publicly decry as a larger group individuals who you would empathize with one on one.
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Old 02-19-2014, 01:31 AM   #32
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I also can't believe that anyone's gender identity choice on freaking Facebook is a sign of the end of the world.
It's always the one you least suspect.
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Old 02-19-2014, 07:11 AM   #33
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Indy, your ignorance and rudeness is astonishing.
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Old 02-19-2014, 07:55 AM   #34
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^ truth.

I actually did not know what those cis- prefixes meant. I'm sorry but I'm going to go ahead and say that's a load of shit. You do not need to put a prefix in front of your gender if you identify with that gender and were born that gender. I find that pretty pretentious. I was born male, and I identify as male, so I am male.
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Old 02-19-2014, 08:15 AM   #35
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^ truth.

I actually did not know what those cis- prefixes meant. I'm sorry but I'm going to go ahead and say that's a load of shit. You do not need to put a prefix in front of your gender if you identify with that gender and were born that gender. I find that pretty pretentious. I was born male, and I identify as male, so I am male.
I think the point of cisgender is to compliment transgender. Yeah, it may seem pretentious on first thought, but I think those who choose to identify as it do so entirely aware that it is the same thing as "male/female" and choose to remove those terms of gender in place for a "gender identity" instead.
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but it still has the words male and female in them. cismale, cisfemale.
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Old 02-19-2014, 08:51 AM   #37
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but it still has the words male and female in them. cismale, cisfemale.
I'm aware. I'm saying instead of [male, female] it is [cisgender, transgender] or [cismale, cisfemale, transmale, transfemale].

I don't think anyone identifies as cisgender in order to be pretentious or to stand out, but rather to draw attention to something that is otherwise considered abnormal or taboo.
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They're not asking you to change you driver's license. I think Facebook's point here (which they're allowed to do because HEY INDY THEY ARE A PRIVATE COMPANY!!!!!!! FREE FUCKING ENTERPRISE YEAAAAAAHHHHHHH!!!!!) is to bring awareness to trans* issues, which seems noble enough.
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Before this Facebook change, I was fairly certain who I was/am.
You had the advance of being raised in a 2 box world. The next generation will bathe in the indoctrinating amniotic fluid of 50 (and counting) genders to emerge somewhat less certain than you or I.
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Now it's apparent gender is a choice.
That's right, what sex you are attracted to is determined before birth but your actual sex is subjective and can change as often as the weather. Welcome to the brave new world.
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You're exactly right. Now that people have choices on how to self-identify on Facebook, I suddenly have lost all confidence on who I am as a person. Yup. That happened.

CONSEQUENCES!
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I think the more important point exists -- why do you care what people call themselves?
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It's fricking hilarious that Indy give this much of a shit how complete strangers identify themselves on Facebook.
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I think the more important point exists -- why do you care what people call themselves?
It's all a slippery slope to boys wearing dresses in INDY's mind. This, gay marriage, the lot of it. He's scared shitless that gender is going to become meaningless because we're finally recognizing a segment of our society that we cast aside for far too long.
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That's right, what sex you are attracted to is determined before birth but your actual sex is subjective and can change as often as the weather. Welcome to the brave new world.
You're absolutely right. What frightening times we live in. Rather than have these people (who you would claim to empathize with in person) out of sight and out of mind, now you might have to occasionally deal with their reality (which again, you would claim to empathize with) showing itself in yours.

It really must be tough for you.
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It's all a slippery slope to boys wearing dresses in INDY's mind. This, gay marriage, the lot of it. He's scared shitless that gender is going to become meaningless because we're finally recognizing a segment of our society that we cast aside for far too long.
I could ask the same question all day though. Why do you care if boys wear dresses?

At what point is there actually a consequence that isn't just "something I'm not used to?"
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