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Old 01-16-2012, 10:52 AM   #196
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So that's the Tebow family message after distillation with FYM nuance and reason?


more accurately, that's the message Focus on the Family wants you to take from the Teabow family.
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Old 01-16-2012, 11:41 AM   #197
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So that's the Tebow family message after distillation with FYM nuance and reason?
i am not sure how you think i am misrepresenting him. i mean, is that not what he is saying? i suppose the "on the off chance he is a quarterback" part may be a tad cynical, but they did not choose little jimmy from springfield to be the almost-but-not-aborted kid either. they chose the famous athlete.
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Old 01-16-2012, 12:59 PM   #198
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they did not choose little jimmy from springfield to be the almost-but-not-aborted kid either. they chose the famous athlete.
Imagine that.

What next? Nutrisystem using retired quarterbacks like Dan Marino and Terry Bradshaw as examples as to why you should buy their weight loss product instead of choosing fat jimmy from Springfield.
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oh, are we comparing abortions to weight loss products?
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oh, are we comparing abortions to weight loss products?
When you think about it, they're kinda the same
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When you think about it, they're kinda the same
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the problem, though, is that Barack Obama is pro-choice and Michelle Obama wants you to lose weight.

therefore, we have to hate both. even if they are kind of the same.
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I don't recall ever seeing or hearing anything about Brees being a Christian.
He is, it's all in his book. He's just much more subtle about it, even in the book.

Rumor is that CBS is trying to hire Tebow for next weekend, so there's no escape . I'm just glad that his beliefs don't prevent him from doing that Jockey ad.
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oh, are we comparing abortions to weight loss products?
Oh Philly, sometimes it truly is a hoot to watch you take one of my posts in a direction that would never even occur to me.

Actually I commenting on the dominance of the cult of celebrity in marketing and media today. But yes, that can be seen in everything from pro-life ads to weight loss programs.
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When you think about it, they're kinda the same
Somehow I think you've just stumbled on to how abortion will be covered under Obamacare.
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Oh Philly, sometimes it truly is a hoot to watch you take one of my posts in a direction that would never even occur to me.

Actually I commenting on the dominance of the cult of celebrity in marketing and media today. But yes, that can be seen in everything from pro-life ads to weight loss programs.
But one is marketing a weight loss product. The other is marketing the concept that you should ignore your doctors when they say you might die.

Hence why I'm more than a bit perplexed by the direction you took it in.
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At the very least Indy, I think you should be able to recognize the crassness of using a celebrity in an abortion ad the same way you would in an ad for product (ie buy these shoes and be like Jordan, because he's best in the league/Don't abort your baby and be like Tebow, because he's the best non-aborted baby in the land)
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I have to say, I don't understand the rabid hostility towards Tebow on the issue of the circumstances of his birth. What is he supposed to say: "My mom is an idiot for making the choice she did. Good thing she got lucky."

Unless, you're suggesting abortions when the mother's life/health is at risk be made compuslory, I think Tebow's mother made the choice/took the risk that she felt comfortable taking. It was her body, her life at stake. Isn't that the very defintion of choice?

Would you suggest they just refuse to discuss this publicly as it would "send the wrong message."?

I know, I know. They're pro-life shills for FOTF but nonetheless, while we might disagree with their suggestion that every woman in her sitatuion should do the same, I don't see how the decision itself was "wrong for every woman" either.

The discussion made me think about my own wife and if we encountered a situtation like that. My feeling as her husband would be that I would not tell her "you HAVE to get an abortion" or "you HAVE to keep the baby." I feel like the decision should be hers, and I would be supportive of whatever decision she decided to make, as heartbreaking as either one might be.
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At the very least Indy, I think you should be able to recognize the crassness of using a celebrity in an abortion ad the same way you would in an ad for product (ie buy these shoes and be like Jordan, because he's best in the league/Don't abort your baby and be like Tebow, because he's the best non-aborted baby in the land)
Would it be okay to have a celebrity featured in a pro-choice ad?
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Would it be okay to have a celebrity featured in a pro-choice ad?
yes. and it would also be okay to have a celebrity in an anti-abortion ad. Surely you can see the difference though. The underlying message is that somehow, Mrs Tebow's decision to not have an abortion is more special because her son is a famous quarterback and not some fuck up who works at Blockbuster; Wouldn't it have been horrible had she aborted a great athlete?
It's not even a pro choice/anti abortion issue. It's a matter of bad taste
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