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Old 01-13-2012, 08:03 PM   #166
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Old 01-13-2012, 09:11 PM   #167
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I found the whole anti-choice "my mother put her life in danger to have me instead of an abortion and now I'm rich, bee-yotch" Focus on the Family thing really distasteful.

Since then, he seems fine. Dunno.
Well, yeah. That's the point where he crossed the line for a lot of people.
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Old 01-13-2012, 10:21 PM   #168
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If you have NFL Network they just showed a review of Tim Tebow's season. Mic'd up with sound and done by NFL Films.

Very interesting to hear his actual prayers on the field rather than what his critics and others assume he prays for. It also leaves no doubt as to why he has been a winner everywhere he has played. His competitiveness, teamwork and inspirational leadership are on clear display.
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I will say this: I read that link in here a few pages back or whatever about him going to visit sick people and such, and I am really impressed by that. That is pretty cool, and I commend him for that .
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as another football ignorant speaking here, i think the issue regarding his abilities is that Teabow plays horribly for 3.5 quarters, and then pulls off something at the end.

It's like LeBron James in reverse!
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You mean like Muhammad Ali used to give praise to Allah after each of his fights? And he was only named Sports Illustrated's Sportsman of the Decade. And aren't American athletes who legally change their name to a Muslim name literally putting their faith on the back of their jersey?


Cooler than a Christian athlete putting John 3:16 under his eyes in any Islamic republic I should think.

But yes, as a fan in the stadium, I would certainly get a little nervous if late in the game I knew a Muslim quarterback was in the huddle calling for the next play to be "a bomb." (pause....) And we'd probably have to stop calling that a "hail Mary" pass wouldn't we?
awwww you've let your lack of knowledge of sports expose your bigotry! how cute

meet chris jackson.

best player on his college team (that also featured some guy named shaq), 2 time all-american, 3rd overall pick in the NBA draft, scoring average in the upper teens in his first few years in the nba (that's very good)... overcame tourette's syndrome to become an nba all star. dropped 51 points on michael jordan.



now meet mahmoud abdul-rauf.

nba pariah. booed in arenas across the country, including his home arena. his own coach aid this about him...

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"I was so proud of how he turned things around on the court, but I didn't fully understand his religion and why he was doing the things he was doing. Frankly, I thought some of that was hurting the team, and I wished he wouldn't have done it. Sometimes I'd see him out there and I wished that I had that Baptist boy from Mississippi.


yup... same guy. converted muslim. averaged 19 points per game the year he decided he did not want to honor the national anthem due to his strong religious beliefs. he was run out of town... traded to nba sibera (sacramento) just a few months after his stance became a controversy.

but i'm sure if he played in a town like denver, ground zero of tebow-mania, that the denver fans would respect such a talented (much better basketball player than tebow is a football player) athlete with such strong religious beliefs.



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In an apparent publicity stunt gone wrong linked to this controversy, four employees of Denver's KBPI radio station were charged with misdemeanor offenses related to entering a Colorado mosque and playing "The Star-Spangled Banner" on a bugle and trumpet, in a provocative response to Abdul-Rauf's refusal to stand for the national anthem
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Seems to me what Tebow's doing is no big deal. One guy's expression of faith--or thinking to the future when he can make his living giving inspirational seminars-- so what? Everybody else--pro and con- is making it a big deal, using it for whatever they need to use it for. He's fair game to celebrate or to make fun of, but he's no saint or no threat. Enjoy him or ignore him.
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yup... same guy. converted muslim. averaged 19 points per game the year he decided he did not want to honor the national anthem due to his strong religious beliefs. he was run out of town... traded to nba sibera (sacramento) just a few months after his stance became a controversy.
Why do I have a feeling that this has more than a little something to do with it?

For many Americans, patriotism is a big deal.
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For many Americans, patriotism is a big deal.
The rampant patriotism in your country is just as brainless and nefarious as your rampant religiousness. Just sayin'
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I didn't realize Abdul-Rauf was still playing...one of my brothers used to be a big fan of his. I think mostly because he also was once a scholarship athlete from Mississippi with Tourette's.
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so what? Everybody else--pro and con- is making it a big deal, using it for whatever they need to use it for. He's fair game to celebrate or to make fun of, but he's no saint or no threat.
That's the extent of my feelings on it too...I don't follow the Broncos closely, but I find the culture wars back-and-forth that's built up around Tebow silly, in both directions.
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I can't in good conscience call it God's favor, but I will call it a spark.
It appears that the guy has become a leader on that team and that his teammates play for and with him. I haven't seen enough Broncos games to judge them as a team before and after Tebow, but I don't see how any rational person can deny that. Whatever leadership qualities he has that are just his personality and whatever are a result or a happy accident of/derived from other-who knows and on the football field that's completely irrelevant.

I don't see how his choice of praise indicates he believes in any sort of God's favor, and since he has actually said that God doesn't give a crap about football (not in those words) I just don't think that's fair. If he starts saying crazy stuff like that then it becomes fair. I wouldn't care if he was Muslim, Jewish, Hindu, whatever. And I hardly think I'm one out of millions of people.

Yes I'm tired of all the talk and our QB is Tom Brady-at this point you'd think it's Tebow. But Tebow defies all logic (athletically) and that drives some people nuts and some people love it
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Seems to me what Tebow's doing is no big deal. One guy's expression of faith--or thinking to the future when he can make his living giving inspirational seminars-- so what? Everybody else--pro and con- is making it a big deal, using it for whatever they need to use it for. He's fair game to celebrate or to make fun of, but he's no saint or no threat. Enjoy him or ignore him.
You're just a cool person

You should really stop being so level headed
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awwww you've let your lack of knowledge of sports expose your bigotry! how cute
My lack of knowledge of sports exposes my bigotry! Really? Only in the same way your
lack of sports knowledge exposes your antisemitism. How else to explain your failure to mention that not everyone thought positively of Sandy Koufax's decision to not pitch Game 1 of the 1965 World Series because the game fell on Yom Kippur?
Now can we stop silliness?
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meet chris jackson.

best player on his college team (that also featured some guy named shaq), 2 time all-american, 3rd overall pick in the NBA draft, scoring average in the upper teens in his first few years in the nba (that's very good)... overcame tourette's syndrome to become an nba all star. dropped 51 points on michael jordan.

now meet mahmoud abdul-rauf.

nba pariah. booed in arenas across the country, including his home arena. his own coach aid this about him...

yup... same guy. converted muslim. averaged 19 points per game the year he decided he did not want to honor the national anthem due to his strong religious beliefs. he was run out of town... traded to nba sibera (sacramento) just a few months after his stance became a controversy.

but i'm sure if he played in a town like denver, ground zero of tebow-mania, that the denver fans would respect such a talented (much better basketball player than tebow is a football player) athlete with such strong religious beliefs.
I remember the Abdul-Rauf incident, I just consider it a piss-poor comparison. Maybe you can tell us which NBA player, or any professional athlete, could sit in protest during the National Anthem and tell us the American flag "represents tyranny and oppression" and not be booed and his team pressured to take some type of action?
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Perhaps you could tell us why he was not supported by fellow Muslims in the NBA and in Colorado at the time.

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The Muslim teaching is to obey and respect," said Houston Rockets star Hakeem Olajuwon. "To be a good Muslim is to be a good citizen." Kareem Abdul-Jabbar told Abdul-Rauf to reconsider his stance. Mohammed Jodeh, head of political affairs for the Colorado Muslim Society, declared that Abdul-Rauf's position contradicted Islamic teaching.
-Sports Illustrated 3/25/96
And Olajuwon went on to win a gold medal for the U.S. Olympic team in 1996. I lived in Houston in the 80's during the Twin Tower Era and I can tell you that Hakeem Olajuwon is arguably the most revered professional athletic in Houston today. That's Houston, Texas !!

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My bigotry? I think not. My bias? Yes. I think the United States is the most religiously diverse, tolerant and therefore freest in the history of the world. Expect my posts to reflect that sentiment.
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