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Climategate U-turn: Astonishment as scientist at centre of global warming email row admits data not well organised | Mail Online

Professor Jones also conceded the possibility that the world was warmer in medieval times than now – suggesting global warming may not be a man-made phenomenon.

And he said that for the past 15 years there has been no ‘statistically significant’ warming.

The admissions will be seized on by sceptics as fresh evidence that there are serious flaws at the heart of the science of climate change and the orthodoxy that recent rises in temperature are largely man-made.
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Irvine511 said:
bountiful public transport, an attractive, bike-riding populace. i think you'd love it, INDY.
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I probably would love it as that actually describes my hometown pretty well. In fact they even made a big-time-Hollywood movie about a bike race that takes place here every April.
 
INDY500 said:
I probably would love it as that actually describes my hometown pretty well. In fact they even made a big-time-Hollywood movie about a bike race that takes place here every April.
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i'm surprised you tolerated a movie about such a decadent, Euro-centric sport that glamorizes an american who consciously rejects his heritage in favor of an italian/socialist identity.

i do know, however, that Bloomington is renowned for it's biking culture. would that that spirit make it's way to indianapolis.
 
DrTeeth said:
Why not refer to the actual Q&A sessions instead?

BBC News - Q&A: Professor Phil Jones

BBC News - 'Climategate' expert Jones says data not well organised

As usual, the actual comments by Jones are a lot more nuanced and hardly a U-turn on anything.
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He admitted that the science is not settled. Maybe that's not big for you but it is for me, and this is Phil Jones who's obviously going to try and defend himself despite "losing" important documents we need to verify his claims. Nobody on this board would cut Enron this kind of slack.
 
Nobody's cutting Jones any slack, not even himself if you read the q&a. Do take into consideration that Jones said we're still dealing with a warming trend which can't be explained by natural processes. Hardly a U-turn.
 
DrTeeth said:
Nobody's cutting Jones any slack, not even himself if you read the q&a. Do take into consideration that Jones said we're still dealing with a warming trend which can't be explained by natural processes. Hardly a U-turn.
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People who defended the MWP were ridiculed because of the lack of nuance IPCC showed. Where was this nuance when Al Gore claimed there was a consensus? It would have been nice to hear this in 2005:

N - When scientists say "the debate on climate change is over", what exactly do they mean - and what don't they mean?

It would be supposition on my behalf to know whether all scientists who say the debate is over are saying that for the same reason. I don't believe the vast majority of climate scientists think this. This is not my view. There is still much that needs to be undertaken to reduce uncertainties, not just for the future, but for the instrumental (and especially the palaeoclimatic) past as well.
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D - Do you agree that natural influences could have contributed significantly to the global warming observed from 1975-1998, and, if so, please could you specify each natural influence and express its radiative forcing over the period in Watts per square metre.

This area is slightly outside my area of expertise. When considering changes over this period we need to consider all possible factors (so human and natural influences as well as natural internal variability of the climate system). Natural influences (from volcanoes and the Sun) over this period could have contributed to the change over this period. Volcanic influences from the two large eruptions (El Chichon in 1982 and Pinatubo in 1991) would exert a negative influence. Solar influence was about flat over this period. Combining only these two natural influences, therefore, we might have expected some cooling over this period.
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When it comes to natural processes even deep within the global warming camp they are finding some natural causes:

Water vapour caused one-third of global warming in 1990s, study reveals | Environment | The Guardian

"These findings show that stratospheric water vapour represents an important driver of decadal global surface climate change," the scientists say. They say it should lead to a "closer examination of the representation of stratospheric water vapour changes in climate models".

Solomon said it was not clear why the water vapour levels had swung up and down, but suggested it could be down to changes in sea surface temperature, which drives convection currents and can move air around in the high atmosphere.

She said it was not clear if the water vapour decrease after 2000 reflects a natural shift, or if it was a consequence of a warming world. If the latter is true, then more warming could see greater decreases in water vapour, acting as a negative feedback to apply the brakes on future temperature rise.
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It's good that skeptics are putting the believers feet to the fire. They are upholding a public service:

Express.co.uk - Home of the Daily and Sunday Express | UK News :: �8bn BBC eco-bias

The £8billion pension fund is likely to come under close scrutiny over its commitment to promote a low-carbon economy while struggling to reverse an estimated £2billion deficit.

Concerns are growing that BBC journalists and their bosses regard disputed scientific theory that climate change is caused by mankind as “mainstream” while huge sums of employees’ money is invested in companies whose success depends on the theory being widely accepted.
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INDY500 said:
Those poor scientists at the Climate Research Unit at the University of East Anglia have really got a job ahead of them in that case. Micheal Mann's "trick" to hide the decline of global temps may not cut it any more.
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I'll throw a brick through his window for you.

As an aside, the university cleared him on most of the allegations.
 
deep said:
As hoaxes go,
I guess we will have to put 'global warming' up there with the 'shroud of Turin'.
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It certainly hurts climate science but hopefully they will get their feet back and actually learn about natural climate variability because climate does matter to us and using money to adapt to climate as oppose to change it makes more sense.

Also energy security should be put separate from AGW so we don't rush to close down coal putting people out of work without viable alternatives.
 
Los Angeles Times | Sept. 27, 2010 | 1:17 p.m.


Record-breaking 113 degrees in downtown L.A.


Today is the hottest day ever recorded in downtown L.A. At 12:15 p.m., the weather station at USC hit the 113-degree mark, breaking the old all-time high of 112, set on June 26, 1990.


It makes today the hottest day since records in downtown L.A. started being kept in 1877, said Stuart Seto of the National Weather Service.


More at: 113 degrees in downtown? L.A. broils with triple-digit temperatures [Updated] | L.A. NOW | Los Angeles Times
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hottest day ever!!!!

global warming is for real, end of discussion
 
deep said:
hottest day ever!!!!

global warming is for real, end of discussion
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Der Spiegel: The Ocean’s Influence Greater Than Thought

Hey Phil Jones disagrees with you. :wink:

BTW remember that Downtown L.A. doesn't represent the entire planet and also that you weren't alive in the Medieval Warming Period so how do you know it is the hottest "ever"? When La Nina's effects show up will anyone post:

"Global warming is not for real, end of discussion."?

I doubt it.

BTW where I live we didn't get much summer at all, should I extrapolate that to everywhere?

Obama Presides Over A Hurricane Free Presidency | Real Science

Gee what happened to hurricanes?

Anyways I'm done with this thread as well. It's just more religious socialism as shown here:

Cancel all your European travel and vacation plans – carbon trading extortion is here | Watts Up With That?

It's all about increasing government fees and trade barriers to force other countries to adopt useless policies.

California's 'invisible summer' slips away - USATODAY.com

By John Antczak, Associated Press Writer
LOS ANGELES — No need to root around the closet for sweaters and jackets: Californians never really put them away this year.
"The invisible summer, seamless from spring to fall," said Bill Patzert, a scientist at NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory who studies the role of oceans in the global climate.

In Los Angeles, the last full day of summer passed Tuesday under the gloom of a deep marine layer — the low clouds and fog that put a damper on many beach excursions and made a dip in the surf bracing.

"The ocean never warmed," Patzert said.

The cause was a stalled jet stream pattern in the Northern Hemisphere that created a semi-permanent trough of low pressure from Alaska to southern Baja California, Mexico, and kept the entire west coast of North America cool, Patzert said.

Not everyone complained as the trend knocked the upper end off normal daytime summer highs in the inland regions miles from the coast.

"It wasn't the coolest summer ever, that's for sure, but in a warming world, it was a little gift from the weather gods," Patzert said.

Summer began on June 21, a month that was warmer than average but ended with below-normal temperatures, according to the California state climatologist's office.

July's statewide average temperature was a hair above average and included a heat wave, but the climatologist's summary suggested the more important weather event was a persistent onshore flow of ocean air and a deep marine layer that dropped temperatures below normal in coastal regions, setting some records.

"This experience was in stark contrast to other parts of the U.S. and world that experienced record-setting heat in July," the climate summary said.

August's statewide average was cooler-than-normal despite a record-setting heat wave, and the month ended with a significant low-pressure system that even raised concerns that backcountry hikers in the Sierra Nevada might be caught unprepared by a summer snowfall.

September has continued to see cool temperatures. Tuesday's high in downtown Los Angeles was 13 degrees below normal at 70.

Patzert, who studies the ocean warming and cooling phenomena known as El Nino and La Nina, said a strong La Nina is developing but was not responsible for the cool summer.

La Ninas are marked by cold water filling the tropical Pacific and are linked to drought in the Southwest.

"La Nina really has its impact in the fall and the winter on the rainfall," Patzert said. "It's not really a big forecaster of anything during the summer."

Fall begins Wednesday night. Ironically, the National Weather Service forecast the beginning of an extended period of warm, dry weather in California by the weekend as the ridge of high pressure that has dominated the Midwest and East through the summer moves west.

Copyright 2010 The Associated Press. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten or redistributed.
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There's still a lot more natural phenomenon to study but I guess nobody wants to wait for that. Just assume all temperature records are man made. $$$$$. You can't tax nature but you can tax man.
 
Given your insistence that US temperature records were representative of the whole world when it comes to the "cooling since 1998" claim it's a bit rich to complain about people using CA as an example. You have been consistently closed minded about this issue by ignoring primary sources and lobbing ad hominem statements about anybody who accepts the reality of climate change as a socialist.
 
I think that if you were genuinely sincere about continuing the discussion then you would have brought something new(or answered some of the old)... :shrug:

But that's just me.
 
BVS said:
But that's just me.
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And me...

I guess the fact that it's now pretty cold in some regions, which by some is seen as evidence against global warming (or more accurate, climate change), was the reason for bumping this read.

Reading is fun, but only if there's something sensible to read.
 
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