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Old 01-11-2010, 12:49 PM   #466
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I knew you wouldn't address it
Yes I did. Solar and wind aren't enough. Your point of Australia is moot. Geothermal also works in Iceland but that hardly means we should push out fossil fuels when NONE of the options (including nuclear) can handle the demand. This would be economically (to put it lightly) unfeasible.

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Both... funny how things relate, eh?
Yeah and so which are you arguing for?................................ It's okay to lie to the public via climate catastrophe that doesn't exist to push for ecofuels? If we want ecofuels for energy independence we shouldn't beat around the bush. In fact it will speed up the process because we can look at workable solutions to that problem via fossil fuels now until the technology gets better.

Even this over the top alarmism is more consistent than using a roundabout AGW argument as a front for switching to renewable resources:

YouTube - COLLAPSE - Theatrical Movie Trailer

This alarmism tactic is so overused that it's like background noise now.

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When you're dealing with some of the "science" you post you have to just laugh otherwise you'd cry.
That's precisely why it doesn't add to the conversation. You are SO above everyone else so you don't have to explain your position. I've already posted past predictions of a flooded New York or snow free England that could make you, as you say, "laugh otherwise you'd cry".

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But as it's been pointed out to you time and time and time again, even by your own article, you're wrong. It IS cost and energy efficient in certain parts of the world. The more you ignore, the more ignorant you look.
See first response above. Why did you think I posted that article? The claim from warmers was to stop fossil fuels and move to solar and wind. What about the rest of the world? The fuel prices would go through the roof. That's why you sound facetious holding on to the fact that someplace in sunny Australia has enough sunlight to use solar panels, of course also using fossil fuels to keep the price down because the power isn't enough for all of Australia let alone the technology being ready to be replicated around the world. Remember the Waxman Markey bill has a provision to give dislocated coal workers a tax credit because they knowingly want to shut down coal plants.

YouTube - Shut those coal plants!

Bankrupting coal plants to go to solar and wind without nuclear? Even congress is starting to back down on that.

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No, this is your problem, on an issue like this the science should be first, this is something you don't get... I'm sorry you didn't like your teacher and the hockey stick graph, but there's a whole other world of science out there.
That's exactly what skeptical scientists are telling the IPCC. The debate is hardly over in the science arena.
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See first response above. Why did you think I posted that article? The claim from warmers was to stop fossil fuels and move to solar and wind. What about the rest of the world? The fuel prices would go through the roof. That's why you sound facetious holding on to the fact that someplace in sunny Australia has enough sunlight to use solar panels, of course also using fossil fuels to keep the price down because the power isn't enough for all of Australia let alone the technology being ready to be replicated around the world. Remember the Waxman Markey bill has a provision to give dislocated coal workers a tax credit because they knowingly want to shut down coal plants.
I saw your response earlier and this is exactly why you are going back on my ignore list, you just aren't equipped to have serious discussions about anything science related. Here's the concept, if parts of Austrailia can thrive on sun efficiently(without fossil fuels or tax credits, you should read your own articles) and parts of western US can do the same on wind, etc, etc then we're winning. NO ONE SAID THERE WOULD BE ONE ANSWER FOR THE WHOLE WORLD, AND NO ONE SAID IT WOULD BE OVERNIGHT! Pull your head out of the sand. You seem to not understand a lot of the basics.

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I saw your response earlier and this is exactly why you are going back on my ignore list, you just aren't equipped to have serious discussions about anything science related. Here's the concept, if parts of Austrailia can thrive on sun efficiently(without fossil fuels or tax credits, you should read your own articles) and parts of western US can do the same on wind, etc, etc then we're winning. NO ONE SAID THERE WOULD BE ONE ANSWER FOR THE WHOLE WORLD, AND NO ONE SAID IT WOULD BE OVERNIGHT! Pull your head out of the sand. You seem to not understand a lot of the basics.

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I'm responding to alarmist claims made by the IPCC and others that we should quickly shutdown part of the energy industry because we "only have a few years left". This is a different tack than "hey we should fund new technologies before we run out of fossil fuels in 300 years." If the IPCC is really thinking like you but feel it's necessary to go full out in climate alarm mode to get things going then people (who aren't on top of things like you) will get the impression that "hey isn't it supposed to be warming like the predictions say?". Then when the science shows that it cooled since 1998 and 1998 wasn't the hottest year on record then the public are going to smell blood. At a minimum it's a massive PR disaster. At worst it's a giant ponzi scheme.
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UN climate report riddled with errors on glaciers

WASHINGTON — Five glaring errors were discovered in one paragraph of the world's most authoritative report on global warming, forcing the Nobel Prize-winning panel of climate scientists who wrote it to apologize and promise to be more careful.

The errors are in a 2007 report by the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change, a U.N.-affiliated body. All the mistakes appear in a subsection that suggests glaciers in the Himalayas could melt away by the year 2035 — hundreds of years earlier than the data actually indicates. The year 2350 apparently was transposed as 2035.

The climate panel and even the scientist who publicized the errors said they are not significant in comparison to the entire report, nor were they intentional. And they do not negate the fact that worldwide, glaciers are melting faster than ever.

But the mistakes open the door for more attacks from climate change skeptics.
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so let's not do anything.
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Ways to stop producing carbon dioxide

Stop breathing - When you exhale you release carbon dioxide

Dont drive - We all know how bad driving is

Don't live in a house/apartment/condo or any building that uses gas or electricity - Homes produce 2-3 times as much carbon as cars.

Don't wear shoes or any sort of clothing produced in a factory. Grow a cotton field and make your own clothes by hand.

Quit school - Those school buildings produce more carbon in a year then you do in 20 years.

Eat meat raw - Whether you're using gas or electric both produce carbon dioxide.

Turn off this monitor and computer - You hypocrite.

Don't use toilets, urinate or poo in your back yard.- The water to your house is cleaned and sent to your house using pumps that use electricity.

Stop exercising - Increasing your heart rate increases the amount of oxygen you take in and turn into carbon dioxide.

Die - Dying younger means you will do all of the above less. Living one year less means you will save the earth 8.4 tons of carbon dioxide every year you're not here!





“The attempts of environmentalists to bolster the myth of human-induced global warming is downright immoral.”

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Ways to stop producing carbon dioxide

Stop breathing - When you exhale you release carbon dioxide

Dont drive - We all know how bad driving is

Don't live in a house/apartment/condo or any building that uses gas or electricity - Homes produce 2-3 times as much carbon as cars.

Don't wear shoes or any sort of clothing produced in a factory. Grow a cotton field and make your own clothes by hand.

Quit school - Those school buildings produce more carbon in a year then you do in 20 years.

Eat meat raw - Whether you're using gas or electric both produce carbon dioxide.

Turn off this monitor and computer - You hypocrite.

Don't use toilets, urinate or poo in your back yard.- The water to your house is cleaned and sent to your house using pumps that use electricity.

Stop exercising - Increasing your heart rate increases the amount of oxygen you take in and turn into carbon dioxide.

Die - Dying younger means you will do all of the above less. Living one year less means you will save the earth 8.4 tons of carbon dioxide every year you're not here!





“The attempts of environmentalists to bolster the myth of human-induced global warming is downright immoral.”

~ Philip Stott, Professor of Biogeography, University of London
Are you laughing about this in a "look how stupid this joke is" way or in an honest to goodness "look how foolish this joke makes liberals look!"

I hope it's the former, but fear it's the latter. If it's the latter, please, read a goddamn book or something that will actually let you learn things.
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A little harsh, don't you think, pfan?
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UN climate change expert: there could be more errors in report - Times Online
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Are you laughing about this in a "look how stupid this joke is" way or in an honest to goodness "look how foolish this joke makes liberals look!"

I hope it's the former, but fear it's the latter. If it's the latter, please, read a goddamn book or something that will actually let you learn things.
In fairness, the fringes of the environmental movement do indeed advocate more or less what Iron Horse posted in his satire.

The likes of Zac Goldsmith - and he is mainstream and not on the fringes - with his three kids aren't in a position to preach about overpopulation to the likes of us who don't even have any kids.
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At a minimum it's a massive PR disaster. At worst it's a giant ponzi scheme.
That's a pretty good summation which makes up for your excessive verbiosity. I sometimes think it's another Y2K farrago.
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In fairness, the fringes of the environmental movement do indeed advocate more or less what Iron Horse posted in his satire.

The likes of Zac Goldsmith - and he is mainstream and not on the fringes - with his three kids aren't in a position to preach about overpopulation to the likes of us who don't even have any kids.
But people like Iron Horse project the fringe onto the entire "movement" (which seems like a shitty word for describing someone who simply thinks we shouldn't pollute and use up fossil fuels at an absurd rate).

You guys will be happy to know that I'm taking a class about energy usage this semester! I should be quite knowledged on the subject by the end.
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John Stossel has done some very interesting shows on alternative fuels and energy independence in the past month.
But he'll largely be ignored as a wackjob because he now works for Fox News and generally favors free market solutions over government intervention.
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Then why have so many stopped reading science books?
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