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Old 12-12-2009, 11:32 AM   #301
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Yeah I like that joke Monckton uses. "The greens are too yellow to admit they're a bunch of reds."

I agree with Krauthammer because I actually met reds in university that shamelessly used the erroneous hockey stick graph and I could see how it fit with their ideology. Then when you look at the U.N. which everyone knows is corrupt (oil for food scandal for eg.) it doesn't take much to connect the dots of self-interest. Then you get the usual suspects of protestors that protest green initiatives but also every other left-wing initiative. Then you add people like Bono getting annoyed that his cause might compete with Al Gore's. Then they managed to work that out by having money available to alleviate poverty and fight the results of climate change at the same time.

At this point so many left-wing interests are aligned except for industry. Then the argument was to attack self-interest on the energy industries by dividing and conquering. The problem though was that the energy industry provides cheaper energy than the green technologies can so you couldn't divide the consumers (who need cheaper energy) from the suppliers. Now we are at a point in a big recession where the average person with some basic intellect and self-interest realize that as long as green energy is too expensive it will not be in their interests to protest fossil fuels because any taxes will be passed on in higher electricity bills. Unless green energy is cheaper it won't completely take over and when it is cheaper we will freely adopt it in the market.

Then you add people who stand to make billions like Al Gore and others affiliated with the U.N. (and Wall Street traders) and the public can tell that some are going to increase their standard of living (and carbon footprint) at the expense of a shrinking middle class. How do you grow an economy and create jobs for young people with more expensive energy? When you are trying to save for retirement extra electricity bills or carbon taxes will make that financial freedom less achievable and also leaves less money to spend on other products so the standard of living would have to reduce.

Marxists like to use the term 'praxis' on how to make their theories into reality and with free societies in the world there is always a place to defect to. Yet if there are world taxes and a world currency, then you can't escape any financial abuse, that's why Marxists need monopolistic control over capital and energy control is the most comprehensive way possible to achieve their 'praxis' to experiment in social engineering with no escape.

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Yes, there's that word again, socialism. And the same people that object to it and call it a boogeyman argument will be the same people that argue in favor of a government run health care system in this forum. Bet ya.
Boy you are right about this. This is another tactic that actually is very successful. This is how they want the ignorant public to view conservatives:

YouTube - Monty Python - Rant Against Communists

Nevermind that communists still run countries and abuse people today. Nevermind that China is now using the Copenhagen talks to ostracize the Dalai Lama.

Denmark Trades Dalai Lama for Climate Treaty | CFACT Europe

I suppose the term communist though is outdated because it never was, or could be, achieved. It's a dreamy mental abstraction. All 'communism' is, is a fight between statism and democracy. There are different kinds of statism but more inequality is a result no matter the claims or goals with good intentions. Whether it is facist, communist, absolutist, monarchy, or religious dictatorship it ends up being all the same. Those who are on top are always right and those on the bottom are politically incorrect.

At least Monty Python believes in equal opportunity potshots:

YouTube - Monty Python Communist Quiz sketch
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Yeah I thought you would like that.
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purpleoscar, is this like a religion to you or something? It's actually starting to disturb me, this level of devotion of yours.
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at the end of the day, the anti-climate change folks are simply anti-intellectuals.

don't want those eggheads telling me how to live my life. you don't know me. i do what i want.
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at the end of the day, the anti-climate change folks are simply anti-intellectuals.

don't want those eggheads telling me how to live my life. you don't know me. i do what i want.
It's not easy being green.
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RealClearPolitics - The Climate-Change Travesty (George Will)

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Consider the sociology of science, the push and pull of interests, incentives, appetites and passions. Governments' attempts to manipulate Earth's temperature now comprise one of the world's largest industries. Tens of billions of dollars are being dispensed, as by the U.S. Energy Department, which has suddenly become, in effect, a huge venture capital operation, speculating in green technologies. Political, commercial, academic and journalistic prestige and advancement can be contingent on not disrupting the (postulated) consensus that is propelling the gigantic and fabulously lucrative industry of combating global warming.

Copenhagen also is prologue for the 2010 climate change summit in Mexico City, which will be planet Earth's last chance, until the next one.
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We have ways of dealing with anti-climate change folks.
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purpleoscar, is this like a religion to you or something? It's actually starting to disturb me, this level of devotion of yours.
It's a pet peeve since university. That Anthropology teacher got under my skin with that bloody hockey stick graph and her manipulation of immigrants in the class and the envy she was stoking against the west. I also had a teacher that was even worse (because he pretended to like capitalism) who marked political opinions in business ethics class (who the fuck marks opinions? only knowledge about the subject should be marked) and gave fives to conservatives and nines to socialists. I found out later on the internet an article he posted in which he called capitalism pathological and that we should eliminate borrowing and lending (because he was a Catholic socialist). If we eliminated borrowing and lending money COMPLETELY and call it usary we would be in the middle ages. I had to write like a socialist to pick my mark up to a 7 (of course he knew I was lying and he probably took pleasure in it). I then told a friend of mine who was going to take the course next and I told him to just regurgitate everything the instructor said and he got a 9. Though he had a intimidated pasty face look afterwards. Going through a class like that is like going through a proctology exam. The instructor was so smooth that he would lower his voice very low to make it harder to hear him and much harder to respond to his ideas. If you raised your hand he would never allow you a response. You had to shout it out and you had to have him look in your direction. It was also smart at the beginning to say openly that he likes capitalism and thought it was a part of human nature so he could make conservatives trust him. Once he targeted you then there was NO chance you would get a nine in the class.

Since then I've always had mistrust left-wing intellectuals. They know the humanities (with a Marxist perspective of course) very well but when it comes to politics and economics they can't be taken seriously. I think the religious fervor of these kind of instructors is much more disturbing than my point of view. I would never bash a socialist student or even allow my point of view to become front and center in a class like that. NAZI sympathizer instructors are considered intolerable but Communist sympathizers I guess mean well so we must tolerate them. I'll never understand that double standard. I even remember my history teacher said he went to the Soviet Union and didn't find anything wrong there.

Maybe American schools are different or I was unlucky but I doubt it. My nieces are 4 and 6 and they are already talking about how good Obama is and how much better than Bush he is. What the hell do 4 and 6 year old girls know about politics and economics? They should be learning how to READ.
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Back to the topic at hand. This is a good summary of the scandal so far:

SPECIAL INVESTIGATION: Climate change emails row deepens - and Russians admit they DID send them | Mail Online

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It's a pet peeve since university. That Anthropology teacher got under my skin with that bloody hockey stick graph and her manipulation of immigrants in the class and the envy she was stoking against the west. I also had a teacher that was even worse (because he pretended to like capitalism) who marked political opinions in business ethics class (who the fuck marks opinions? only knowledge about the subject should be marked) and gave fives to conservatives and nines to socialists. I found out later on the internet an article he posted in which he called capitalism pathological and that we should eliminate borrowing and lending (because he was a Catholic socialist). If we eliminated borrowing and lending money COMPLETELY and call it usary we would be in the middle ages. I had to write like a socialist to pick my mark up to a 7 (of course he knew I was lying and he probably took pleasure in it). I then told a friend of mine who was going to take the course next and I told him to just regurgitate everything the instructor said and he got a 9. Though he had a intimidated pasty face look afterwards. Going through a class like that is like going through a proctology exam. The instructor was so smooth that he would lower his voice very low to make it harder to hear him and much harder to respond to his ideas. If you raised your hand he would never allow you a response. You had to shout it out and you had to have him look in your direction. It was also smart at the beginning to say openly that he likes capitalism and thought it was a part of human nature so he could make conservatives trust him. Once he targeted you then there was NO chance you would get a nine in the class.

Since then I've always had mistrust left-wing intellectuals. They know the humanities (with a Marxist perspective of course) very well but when it comes to politics and economics they can't be taken seriously. I think the religious fervor of these kind of instructors is much more disturbing than my point of view. I would never bash a socialist student or even allow my point of view to become front and center in a class like that. NAZI sympathizer instructors are considered intolerable but Communist sympathizers I guess mean well so we must tolerate them. I'll never understand that double standard. I even remember my history teacher said he went to the Soviet Union and didn't find anything wrong there.

Maybe American schools are different or I was unlucky but I doubt it. My nieces are 4 and 6 and they are already talking about how good Obama is and how much better than Bush he is. What the hell do 4 and 6 year old girls know about politics and economics? They should be learning how to READ.
Good God could you engage in any more stereotypes in one post?

This completely misplaced suspicion that there are Marxists and Communists around every corner trying to brainwash unsuspecting people and take over the world is dumbfounding.
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My nieces are 4 and 6 and they are already talking about how good Obama is and how much better than Bush he is
And this is proof of what to you? That their teachers are socialists?


Puhhhhleeeeze.
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Maybe American schools are different or I was unlucky but I doubt it.
Um, I attended two top Canadian universities (one for undergrad, one for law) and frankly never experienced what you're talking about. In undergrad, I have no idea what leanings any of my science profs had (didn't come up) and the few social science/humanities courses I took really didn't contain political proselytizing either, except maybe in seminar discussions and the sources of that were students. In law school, I was mostly surrounded by right-wing corporate types, I'm sure you would have enjoyed that immensely. Except the two corporate tax professors who were decidedly leftist and an unexpected breath of fresh air.

No idea where you went to school but frankly I've never come across anyone else who had an experience quite like yours...
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It's a pet peeve since university. That Anthropology teacher got under my skin with that bloody hockey stick graph and her manipulation of immigrants in the class and the envy she was stoking against the west. I also had a teacher that was even worse (because he pretended to like capitalism) who marked political opinions in business ethics class (who the fuck marks opinions? only knowledge about the subject should be marked) and gave fives to conservatives and nines to socialists. I found out later on the internet an article he posted in which he called capitalism pathological and that we should eliminate borrowing and lending (because he was a Catholic socialist). If we eliminated borrowing and lending money COMPLETELY and call it usary we would be in the middle ages. I had to write like a socialist to pick my mark up to a 7 (of course he knew I was lying and he probably took pleasure in it). I then told a friend of mine who was going to take the course next and I told him to just regurgitate everything the instructor said and he got a 9. Though he had a intimidated pasty face look afterwards. Going through a class like that is like going through a proctology exam. The instructor was so smooth that he would lower his voice very low to make it harder to hear him and much harder to respond to his ideas. If you raised your hand he would never allow you a response. You had to shout it out and you had to have him look in your direction. It was also smart at the beginning to say openly that he likes capitalism and thought it was a part of human nature so he could make conservatives trust him. Once he targeted you then there was NO chance you would get a nine in the class.

Since then I've always had mistrust left-wing intellectuals. They know the humanities (with a Marxist perspective of course) very well but when it comes to politics and economics they can't be taken seriously. I think the religious fervor of these kind of instructors is much more disturbing than my point of view. I would never bash a socialist student or even allow my point of view to become front and center in a class like that. NAZI sympathizer instructors are considered intolerable but Communist sympathizers I guess mean well so we must tolerate them. I'll never understand that double standard. I even remember my history teacher said he went to the Soviet Union and didn't find anything wrong there.

Maybe American schools are different or I was unlucky but I doubt it. My nieces are 4 and 6 and they are already talking about how good Obama is and how much better than Bush he is. What the hell do 4 and 6 year old girls know about politics and economics? They should be learning how to READ.
I look at shit like this, and I look at how you usually construct your arguments on this topic and it's very clear that you look at the extreme right's party line first/ your wallet and then you look for science to back that up. You go at it completely backwards. It's a conformist/ party sheep mentality. Most free thinkers that have graduated middle school science would find a lot of your "science" completely laughable. But then you make a post like this and I have to wonder if you're just a character, or are there still people your age that honestly believe this paranoid stereotype crap... I'm hoping for your sake you're just an elaborate character and you've been pulling our leg this whole time.
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It's a pet peeve since university. That Anthropology teacher got under my skin with that bloody hockey stick graph and her manipulation of immigrants in the class and the envy she was stoking against the west. I also had a teacher that was even worse (because he pretended to like capitalism) who marked political opinions in business ethics class (who the fuck marks opinions? only knowledge about the subject should be marked) and gave fives to conservatives and nines to socialists. I found out later on the internet an article he posted in which he called capitalism pathological and that we should eliminate borrowing and lending (because he was a Catholic socialist). If we eliminated borrowing and lending money COMPLETELY and call it usary we would be in the middle ages. I had to write like a socialist to pick my mark up to a 7 (of course he knew I was lying and he probably took pleasure in it). I then told a friend of mine who was going to take the course next and I told him to just regurgitate everything the instructor said and he got a 9. Though he had a intimidated pasty face look afterwards. Going through a class like that is like going through a proctology exam. The instructor was so smooth that he would lower his voice very low to make it harder to hear him and much harder to respond to his ideas. If you raised your hand he would never allow you a response. You had to shout it out and you had to have him look in your direction. It was also smart at the beginning to say openly that he likes capitalism and thought it was a part of human nature so he could make conservatives trust him. Once he targeted you then there was NO chance you would get a nine in the class.

Since then I've always had mistrust left-wing intellectuals. They know the humanities (with a Marxist perspective of course) very well but when it comes to politics and economics they can't be taken seriously. I think the religious fervor of these kind of instructors is much more disturbing than my point of view. I would never bash a socialist student or even allow my point of view to become front and center in a class like that. NAZI sympathizer instructors are considered intolerable but Communist sympathizers I guess mean well so we must tolerate them. I'll never understand that double standard. I even remember my history teacher said he went to the Soviet Union and didn't find anything wrong there.

Maybe American schools are different or I was unlucky but I doubt it. My nieces are 4 and 6 and they are already talking about how good Obama is and how much better than Bush he is. What the hell do 4 and 6 year old girls know about politics and economics? They should be learning how to READ.
This pretty much renders all of your posts useless.
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