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Old 05-10-2010, 06:51 AM   #46
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You guys may be interested to know that in certain weasel words Australia's centre-left Labor government has been... how shall I put it, 'linked'... to the uproar in Greece. In the sense that Kevin Bacon is linked to Al Quaeda.

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Old 05-10-2010, 12:10 PM   #47
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2000: The IRSP passes a new ideological motion at its convention, which affirms:
That the IRSP is a revolutionary Marxist organisation, and that by this we mean that the IRSP believes:
Class conflict is the motive force in human history;
The IRSP stands unreservedly and exclusively for the interests of the working class against all others;
Only the creation of a 32-county Irish socialist republic can provide the means by which Irish national liberation can be realised;
That there can be no socialism without national liberation in Ireland, nor can there be national liberation without socialism;
That there is no parliamentary road to socialism, because socialism cannot be forged by seizing the bourgeois state apparatus; nor is there a guerilla road to socialism, because a social revolution requires the active participation of the masses; and therefore a socialist republic can only be established through the mass revolutionary action of the working class in the political, economic, and social spheres;
That socialism means the ownership of the means of production, distribution and exchange collectively by the entire working class, with an end to wage labour, an end to production for profit and its replacement by a system of production based on human need; and
That socialism must be administered democratically by the working class itself, recognising the class dictatorship of the workers, because the vast majority of society is formed by that class. This does not suggest the need for a political dictatorship of a single party. Rather it calls out for a class dictatorship, administered through new working class institutions created to permit the greatest degree of political freedom for all working people.
I think this is the common problem here. The idea that a class of people (made up of individuals) need to have "class-consciousness" and once they do then it supposed to be obvious that they need to take over the means of production by any means necessary. As posted before:

I'll be happy with my life and confident I can make a difference in the world, and these kids will still be angry and bitter, chasing phantoms and expending their energy on some perceived enemy that by and large does not exist."
Of course the difficult part is how to convince those class-consciousness types. In mostly free market or mixed economies there is definately evidence of social mobility and any attempts to create a new aristocracy often involves government along with the private sector. The rest of social mobility is for the public to realize they need to find a passion to live for, then to make a financial plan that includes the savings (capital) they need to make the life they want which no bureaucrat can clairvoyantly perceive ahead of time. These choices can even include those who don't want to work so hard for large incomes because their lifestyle is more spare because they want it simple and less hectic.

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