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Old 07-05-2010, 03:15 PM   #106
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Economist, politicians and journalist make these comparisons all the time. I did this comparison on unemployment in the most unbiased way possible. I did not take any high points or low points, leave out any record or period of time. Every bit of data that is available from the Bereau of Labor Statistics on unemployment was used.

I never stated that the averages made Lyndon Johnson the greatest President of all time or Barack Obama the worst. I never even commented on what impact if any each Presidential administration had on the unemployment numbers while they were in office. But the US population was indeed impacted by the job environment as shown with these numbers and it no doubt has had an impact on politics.


This reminds me of when I write one of my fifth graders names down for disrupting class and they're all:

"What! I wasn't talking!"

"You're making noise."

"Yes, but you said no talking--I wasn't talking."

"Yes, but you were being disruptive."

"What--I coughed. You're writing my name down for coughing now! It's not FAIR!"

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For the final time, and I can't emphasize it enough, you can post it all you want, like or dislike the policies of the President. What I am saying is that you, Strongbow, posting this in a forum meant to start discussion, its not a reference page, not a response to an inquiry for BLS information, is only intended to cast Obama in a bad light.
I have been posting in this forum for nearly as long as it has existed and it is indeed open to the posting of what some consider interesting information, which MAY start a discusion on certain issues, but certainly does not have too.

Your essentially stating that if ANYONE, of any political party or idealogy were to post a comparison list of the Presidents on the average unemployment rate while they were in office, then it was intended to cast Obama in a bad light.

In fact, no one will be able make any comparitive list of economic statistics between the Presidents if they include Obama without being accused of intending to cast him in a bad light.

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In the further discussion that has ensued, you haven't yet told us why Obama should be held responsible for these numbers.
I've never said Obama or any President should be held responsible for anything in this thread.

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You didn't have to do anything- the numbers- by quarter, by year, by month etc are all out there for anyone who looks for them.
Thats not what the list is comparing! The list is comparing the average unemployment rate during each Presidents time in office. Numbers by year or quarter are often rounded so to find the average, 750 months had to be added up and divided based on the length of time each President was in office.

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We are all pretty well aware of what the unemployment numbers have been historically.
Again, I knew of only Bill Clinton and George Bush's exact averages for unemployment because I had caculated them. I did not know what it was for the other Presidents and so I caculated it and put the results into a list.

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You are literally the only one here who keeps trying to come back with things that you have been factually proven wrong on years ago like Iraq.
I have not been proven factually wrong on any of the significant things with regards to Iraq. Most of my positions on Iraq are held by millions of people around the country as well as General Norman Swartkoph, General Colin Powel, General Paetreus, George Bush, Condaleeza Rice, Richard Armatage, Donald Rumsfeld, Kenneth Pollack, Michael O'Halon, Secretary Of State James Baker, Bill Clinton, Hillary Clinton, Joe Lieberman, and the majority of those serving in the US military based on the annual Military Times Polls.

Holding the view that it was necessary to remove Saddam from power in 2003 for reasons of US and international security is a legitimate view point!

Holding the view that the 2007 surge in Iraq was necessary and has dramatically reduced the violence there as well as helping to improve the political and economic situation there is also a legitmate view point!

I predict that as time goes by the majority of the US public will also agree with these view points. In fact, the majority of the US public already agrees that the Surge is indeed the success so many have claimed and accurately shown it to be.
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This reminds me of when I write one of my fifth graders names down for disrupting class and they're all:

"What! I wasn't talking!"

"You're making noise."

"Yes, but you said no talking--I wasn't talking."

"Yes, but you were being disruptive."

"What--I coughed. You're writing my name down for coughing now! It's not FAIR!"

I'm confident most of your 5th graders could write a more mature and relevant post than that.
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I thought you were about discussing the issues and not personal commentary, Sting.
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Strongbow caught out bullshitting again? Quell surprise.
Iraq- a little thing called Weapons of Mass Destruction, you have only been proven factually wrong about that.

Bill Clinton, Powell, etc and many US military generals and service people have positions on this very, very different than yours, no matter what you assert.

But we've already discussed that to no end.
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I'm confident most of your 5th graders could write a more mature and relevant post than that.
I'm confident that you are the one who continually exhibits the behavior of a 5th grader here.

Maycocksean is simply pointing out the obvious with you, he's been around a while here too.

Proven wrong and keep stubbornly saying the same thing over and over and over and over, all while throwing your toy and screaming no fair about the rules.

You're a real beautiful one, Strongbow, thats for sure.

No one is saying that posting this automatically identifies one as intending to show the President in a bad light.

Just answer one question: why should we believe you that you are just posting this unemployment information for our information given your rabid commitment to out of context numbers that bolster your biases?

You are asking us to forget a lot about you.

There is a reason no one here buys your "I'm just curious/putting it out there explanation."
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I'm confident most of your 5th graders could write a more mature and relevant post than that.
Hey, that stings! (sorry, couldn't pass up the pun, )

You're probably right. They are master debaters, these kids.

It's SO annoying.
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Iraq- a little thing called Weapons of Mass Destruction, you have only been proven factually wrong about that.

Bill Clinton, Powell, etc and many US military generals and service people have positions on this very, very different than yours, no matter what you assert.

But we've already discussed that to no end.
Some US intelligence on Weapons of Mass Destruction was proven to be wrong, but the necessity of removing Saddam from power was NEVER dependent on what the coalition forces would be lucky enough to find after Saddam's removal.

Bill Clinton gave his support to the invasion the week before it happened on Larry King Live. I've never heard or seen Bill Clinton state publically that the 2003 removal of Saddam was a mistake and that it would be better for the world if Saddam were still in power.

Powell campaigned for the invasion and after leaving office on the Barbara Walters show in 2005 stated:

"When President Bush said it was not tolerable for Saddam to remain in violatin of the UN resolutions, I'm right there with on the use of MILITARY FORCE"!

I've never heard or seen Colin Powell state anything that would go against is PUBLIC statement on this issue made during the Barbara Walters interview in 2005.

The majority of the US military as confirmed from the MILITARY TIMES POLLs given every year have shown that a majority of the military thinks removing Saddam in 2003 was the right course of action.
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Unemployment decreased from 9.7% in May to 9.5% in June. Despite the decrease, the average unemployment rate since Obama became President increases from 9.41% to 9.42%.


Average Unemployment Rates For US Presidents Since World War II:

01. Lyndon Johnson: 4.19%
02. Harry Truman: 4.26%
03. Dwight Eisenhower: 4.89%
04. Richard Nixon: 5.00%
05. Bill Clinton: 5.20%
06. George W. Bush: 5.27%
07. John Kennedy: 5.98%
08. George H.W. Bush: 6.30%
09. Jimmy Carter: 6.54%
10. Ronald Reagan: 7.54%
11. Gerald Ford: 7.77%
12. Barack Obama: 9.42%


Besides Barack Obama, Ford was in office the smallest amount of time, about 30 months. If the unemployment rate over the next 30 months averaged only 6.78%, it would be enough for the average rate while Obama was President to become tied with Gerald Ford at the end of his term. If Obama gets a second term, the minimum average rate over that time period needed to come in equal to Ford would be 7.39%

For the average unemployment rate to equal what it did during George W. Bush's time in office, during just Obama's first term, the average over the next 30 months would have to be 2.78%. If Obama were President for two full terms, the unemployment average over the next 78 months would have to be 4.31% to equal the average unemployment rate during George W. Bush's 96 months in office.

For the average unemployment rate to equal what did during Lyndon Johnson's time in office, during just Obama's first term, the average over the next 30 months would have to be 1.05%. If Obama were President for two full terms, the unemployment average over the next 78 months would have to be 2.99% to equal the average unemployment rate during Lyndon Johnson's time in office.
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Some US intelligence on Weapons of Mass Destruction was proven to be wrong, but the necessity of removing Saddam from power was NEVER dependent on what the coalition forces would be lucky enough to find after Saddam's removal.

Bill Clinton gave his support to the invasion the week before it happened on Larry King Live. I've never heard or seen Bill Clinton state publically that the 2003 removal of Saddam was a mistake and that it would be better for the world if Saddam were still in power.

Powell campaigned for the invasion and after leaving office on the Barbara Walters show in 2005 stated:

"When President Bush said it was not tolerable for Saddam to remain in violatin of the UN resolutions, I'm right there with on the use of MILITARY FORCE"!

I've never heard or seen Colin Powell state anything that would go against is PUBLIC statement on this issue made during the Barbara Walters interview in 2005.

The majority of the US military as confirmed from the MILITARY TIMES POLLs given every year have shown that a majority of the military thinks removing Saddam in 2003 was the right course of action.
We've been over all of this before, you are flat out oversimplifying, lying and misrepresenting.

Clinton was vocal throughout about letting the inspections process that Bush stopped continue.

Powell had many private conversations with Biden that have been well publicized and he did not bother to refute them. Powell had a lot more sense than to go along with this, he did what he thought he had to do to save face.

No interest in anything more you have to say.
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No interest in anything more you have to say.
Then I suggest (again) that you quit responding to him.
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