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Old 05-06-2010, 06:10 PM   #31
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Yeah, how is it that Reagan's presidency has been misconstrued by so much myth?
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Yeah, how is it that Reagan's presidency has been misconstrued by so much myth?
The same way John Wayne is considered the paragon of courage, bravery and virtue.

John Wayne would have shit his pants if he was ever near a real war.

Much the same way, Reagan used to claim he was in Normandy.

It boils down to who can talk tough/build the cult of personality.

Reagan was also helped out by numerous conservative thinkers like Peggy Noonan who were ready to spin their own myth of the man from the very beginning.

Something about our culture makes us love fakers.

What is ironic is the right accuses Obama supporters/the media of only going on personality/image, but even if that were true(its not), then they started it with Reagan.
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New unemployment figures are out today for the month of April. Unemployment increased from 9.7% in March to 9.9% in April. This causes the average unemployment rate since Obama became President to increase from 9.36% to 9.39%.


Average Unemployment Rates For US Presidents Since World War II:

01. Lyndon Johnson: 4.19%
02. Harry Truman: 4.26%
03. Dwight Eisenhower: 4.89%
04. Richard Nixon: 5.00%
05. Bill Clinton: 5.20%
06. George W. Bush: 5.27%
07. John Kennedy: 5.98%
08. George H.W. Bush: 6.30%
09. Jimmy Carter: 6.54%
10. Ronald Reagan: 7.54%
11. Gerald Ford: 7.77%
12. Barack Obama: 9.39%
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So you're going to ignore the basic shittiness that is this thread and pretend you have a valid point?

That's Sting for you...
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New unemployment figures are out today for the month of April. Unemployment increased from 9.7% in March to 9.9% in April. This causes the average unemployment rate since Obama became President to increase from 9.36% to 9.39%.


Average Unemployment Rates For US Presidents Since World War II:

01. Lyndon Johnson: 4.19%
02. Harry Truman: 4.26%
03. Dwight Eisenhower: 4.89%
04. Richard Nixon: 5.00%
05. Bill Clinton: 5.20%
06. George W. Bush: 5.27%
07. John Kennedy: 5.98%
08. George H.W. Bush: 6.30%
09. Jimmy Carter: 6.54%
10. Ronald Reagan: 7.54%
11. Gerald Ford: 7.77%
12. Barack Obama: 9.39%
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Lyndon Johnson has a lot in common with Barack Obama.
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They were both presidents
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Obama is the 43rd person to be President of the U S.
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Under Communism you can have 0% unemployment all the time did you know?

You should be studying:

- Purchase Power Parity
- Inflation
- Trade balances
- Different levels of unemployment:

Unemployment - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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U1: Percentage of labor force unemployed 15 weeks or longer.
U2: Percentage of labor force who lost jobs or completed temporary work.
U3: Official unemployment rate per ILO definition.
U4: U3 + "discouraged workers", or those who have stopped looking for work because current economic conditions make them believe that no work is available for them.
U5: U4 + other "marginally attached workers", or "loosely attached workers", or those who "would like" and are able to work, but have not looked for work recently.
U6: U5 + Part time workers who want to work full time, but cannot due to economic reasons (underemployment).

Hidden unemployment

Hidden, or covered, unemployment is the unemployment of potential workers that is not reflected in official unemployment statistics, due to the way the statistics are collected. In many countries only those who have no work but are actively looking for work (and/or qualifying for social security benefits) are counted as unemployed. Those who have given up looking for work (and sometimes those who are on Government "retraining" programmes) are not officially counted among the unemployed, even though they are not employed. The same applies to those who have taken early retirement to avoid being laid off, but would prefer to be working. The statistic also does not count the "underemployed" - those with part time or seasonal jobs who would rather have full time jobs. Because of hidden unemployment, official statistics often underestimate unemployment rates.
This gives a better picture. What if there is a recovery (slow perhaps) and Obama's average unemployment rate improves, will you post this list again? What if people give up looking for work and the average improves superficially? The statistic becomes meaningless for policy purposes.

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They were both presidents
They were both presidents that increased the social safety net especially healthcare entitlements. The point being that the unemployment rates don't tell you much difference between left and right wing politics and in some cases not even the results because results of policies have lags as well. And even more importantly the public themselves are involved in the economy and not all results can be praised/blamed on government policy alone.
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sell your grover cleveland propaganda elsewhere, sir.
just staying with the spirit of the thread

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the unemployment rate in Washington D.C. is about the lowest in the country.


government, like much of the entertainment industry, is virtually recession-proof.

but blame Obama for that one.



also, jobs increased this month by 244,000 -- the largest since March of 2006.


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Excluding Census, jobs increase 224,000; jobless rate rises to 9.9%

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WASHINGTON (MarketWatch) -- The U.S. added 290,000 jobs in April, the biggest increase since March 2006, with broad gains throughout the economy. Yet the unemployment rate rose.

However, nonfarm payrolls increased by a higher-than-expected 290,000. The employment numbers come a day after one of the most harrowing days ever in the markets, as the Dow on Thursday took a 998.5 point plunge in a five-minute selloff, apparently triggered by a breakdown in trading systems.

Excluding temporary Census workers, nonfarm jobs rose a seasonally adjusted 224,000, the Labor Department said Friday. The unemployment rate ticked up to 9.9% from 9.7% owing to a big increase in the labor force. Read the full report on the Bureau of Labor Statistics' Web site.

Nearly all of the job growth, minus Census workers, took place in the private sector. Government employment was basically flat.

http://www.marketwatch.com/story/us-...dist=countdown



just sayin' is all. it really sucks that Obama is turning the country around, i know, but facts are facts i guess.
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Under Communism you can have 0% unemployment all the time did you know?

You should be studying:

- Purchase Power Parity
- Inflation
- Trade balances
- Different levels of unemployment:

Unemployment - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia



This gives a better picture. What if there is a recovery (slow perhaps) and Obama's average unemployment rate improves, will you post this list again? What if people give up looking for work and the average improves superficially? The statistic becomes meaningless for policy purposes.

Portal Seven | U6 Unemployment Rate


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So you're going to ignore the basic shittiness that is this thread and pretend you have a valid point?

BVS and Purpleoscar:

You are on opposite ends of the discussion but both reasonable people looking at the facts and pointing out the flaws in the original premise of the thread.

However, you have both violated a MAJOR rule of the original poster, which is never inject sense into an attempt to hit Obama/defend Bush with out of context statistics that say nothing of what their policies did.
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government, like much of the entertainment industry, is virtually recession-proof.

but blame Obama for that one.



also, jobs increased this month by 244,000 -- the largest since March of 2006.






just sayin' is all. it really sucks that Obama is turning the country around, i know, but facts are facts i guess.
The facts are also out of bounds with this poster.

Only out of context statistics not explained or interpreted will do.

You can't mention that Obama inherited 500-600K job losses per month and has brought that number down to 0 and reversed it to +39K in Feb, +230K in March and +290K in April(including the census).

Context is not allowed.
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That's enough piling on, U2387. In case you didn't know, you can now ignore entire threads. I suggest using that function for the OP's threads.
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