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Old 01-29-2010, 08:17 PM   #1
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A more joyous celebration of the atheist viewpoint than is usually expressed:

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"Tonight We Fly"

Over the houses
The streets and the trees
Over the dogs down below
They'll bark at our shadows
As we float by on the breeze

Tonight we fly
Over the chimney tops
Skylights and slates -
Looking into all your lives
And wondering why
Happiness is so hard to find

Over the doctor, over the soldier
Over the farmer, over the poacher
Over the preacher, over the gambler
Over the teacher, over the rambler
Over the lawyer, over the dancer
Over the voyeur,over the builder and the destroyer,
Over the hills and far away

Tonight we fly
Over the mountains
The beach and the sea
Over the friends that we've known
And those that we now know
And those who we've yet to meet

And when we die
Oh, will we be
That disappointed
Or sad
If heaven doesn't exist
What will we have missed
This life is the best we've ever had
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Old 01-29-2010, 08:57 PM   #2
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"If heaven doesn't exist"


That is the big "If"

That is the question.

Is there a universal God or is there nothing?

What happens to us when we die?



Trust yourself. Read, study, search the religions, the faiths, read books, blogs by atheists....read it all, search it all, dream it all, and think.


It's not burden or a hard task.

It is a very joyful journey.

Take care
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Old 01-29-2010, 09:18 PM   #3
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"If heaven doesn't exist"


That is the big "If"

That is the question.

Is there a universal God or is there nothing?

What happens to us when we die?



Trust yourself. Read, study, search the religions, the faiths, read books, blogs by atheists....read it all, search it all, dream it all, and think.


It's not burden or a hard task.

It is a very joyful journey.

Take care
That's fine. If you've researched it all for yourself, thought about it deeply, and ultimately arrived to a Christian belief, then I can respect that.

My perspective is that most of the human race don't even bother with the thinking and research, they are largely servile submissive gimps that accept unquestionably whatever 'massa' tells them. At this point, the Pope could be caught on live tv raping a kid and Irish Catholics would still be going to mass every Sunday, looking for blessings from massa. If a major world religion has been exposed as in large part a conspiracy to protect child abusers, and the majority of its followers continue to pledge allegiance to said church, then I'm afraid I'd have to conclude the majority of its followers are essentially servile, weak cowards.

In the civilised world, the Roman Church will soon be hoist on a petard of its own making, and I look forward to helping out with its mercy killing by formally renouncing my own membership. Islam has already been exposed as a joke that no sensible person would give a moment's credence too. In the Western World, we'll be left with a mixture of atheism, agnosticism and a soft form of Protestantism, which at least allows some degree of social tolerance and is not quite as offensive to the intellect as some of the other forms of religion.

My motto is, question everything.
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The only question is if Jesus were here today
would he be



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That's fine. If you've researched it all for yourself, thought about it deeply, and ultimately arrived to a Christian belief, then I can respect that.

My perspective is that most of the human race don't even bother with the thinking and research, they are largely servile submissive gimps that accept unquestionably whatever 'massa' tells them. At this point, the Pope could be caught on live tv raping a kid and Irish Catholics would still be going to mass every Sunday, looking for blessings from massa. If a major world religion has been exposed as in large part a conspiracy to protect child abusers, and the majority of its followers continue to pledge allegiance to said church, then I'm afraid I'd have to conclude the majority of its followers are essentially servile, weak cowards.

In the civilised world, the Roman Church will soon be hoist on a petard of its own making, and I look forward to helping out with its mercy killing by formally renouncing my own membership. Islam has already been exposed as a joke that no sensible person would give a moment's credence too. In the Western World, we'll be left with a mixture of atheism, agnosticism and a soft form of Protestantism, which at least allows some degree of social tolerance and is not quite as offensive to the intellect as some of the other forms of religion.

My motto is, question everything.



I really respect what you posted and your motto "question everything."

I also agree with what you said about errors and lies within the so called Church.



But please understand. I am a believer. Not in the institutional Church, but in the person and message of that rebel from Nazareth.
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That's fine. If you've researched it all for yourself, thought about it deeply, and ultimately arrived to a Christian belief, then I can respect that.

My perspective is that most of the human race don't even bother with the thinking and research, they are largely servile submissive gimps that accept unquestionably whatever 'massa' tells them. At this point, the Pope could be caught on live tv raping a kid and stupid moronic Irish Catholic servile gimps would still be going to mass every Sunday, looking for blessings from massa. If a major world religion has been exposed as in large part a conspiracy to protect child abusers, and the majority of its followers continue to pledge allegiance to said church, then I'm afraid I'd have to conclude the majority of its followers are essentially servile, weak cowards.

In the civilised world, the Roman Church will soon be hoist on a petard of its own making, and I look forward to helping out with its mercy killing by formally renouncing my own membership. Islam has already been exposed as a joke that no sensible person would give a moment's credence too. In the Western World, we'll be left with a mixture of atheism, agnosticism and a soft form of Protestantism, which at least allows some degree of social tolerance and is not quite as offensive to the intellect as some of the other forms of religion.

My motto is, question everything.

This is a very interesting thread.

I'm Roman Catholic and recently I have become more involved in my faith than I previously was but without being pressured by my family or my surroundings; you could say that something just awakened inside of me. I had (and I still have) lots of questions and doubts going on in my mind and sometimes the answers I received from the clergy would not satisfy me, so I decided to start reading a lot and do some research on my own. There are tons of things that the Church does, demands or expects you to comply with that I do not agree with or that I feel like debating or just rejecting, but in the end I decided to commit myself to this faith because I feel like I found what I was looking for. I know it can sound a bit contradicting because one could say that if you are going to commit to something you might as accept everything that comes with it, but I think you can commit yourself to something without having to behave like a dummy or machine that replies "yes" to everything.
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"If heaven doesn't exist"


That is the big "If"

That is the question.

Is there a universal God or is there nothing?

What happens to us when we die?



Trust yourself. Read, study, search the religions, the faiths, read books, blogs by atheists....read it all, search it all, dream it all, and think.


It's not burden or a hard task.

It is a very joyful journey.

Take care

A very thoughtful and 'that rebel from Nazareth' free post, iron horse
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Some more lyrics from an Atheist, Gary Lightbody of Snow Patrol:

The Finish Line

The earth is warm next to my ear
Insect noise is all that I hear
A magic trick makes the world disappear
The skies are dark, they're dark but they're clear

A distant motorcade and suddenly there's joy
The snow and ticker tape blurs all my senses numb
It's like the finish line where everything just ends
The crack of radios seems close enough to touch

Cold water, cleaning my wounds
A sad parade, with a single balloon
I'm done with this, I'm counting to ten
Bluest seas, running to them

I feel like I am watching everything from space
And in a minute I'll hear my name and I'll wake
I think the finish line's a good place we could start
Take a deep breath, take in all that you could want
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Old 01-29-2010, 11:33 PM   #9
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My perspective is that most of the human race don't even bother with the thinking and research, they are largely servile submissive gimps that accept unquestionably whatever 'massa' tells them. At this point, the Pope could be caught on live tv raping a kid and Irish Catholics would still be going to mass every Sunday, looking for blessings from massa. If a major world religion has been exposed as in large part a conspiracy to protect child abusers, and the majority of its followers continue to pledge allegiance to said church, then I'm afraid I'd have to conclude the majority of its followers are essentially servile, weak cowards.
You might appreciate Mortimer Adler's response to this issue.

Mortimer Adler - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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"I suggest that the men and women who have given up religion because of the impact on their minds of modern science and philosophy were never truly religious in the first place, but only superstitious. The prevalence and predominance of science in our culture has cured a great many of the superstitious beliefs that constituted their false religiosity. The increase of secularism and irreligion in our society does not reflect a decrease in the number of persons who are truly religious, but a decrease in the number of those who are falsely religious; that is, merely superstitious. There is no question but that science is the cure for superstition, and, if given half the chance with education, it will reduce the amount that exists. The truths of religion must be compatible with the truths of science and the truths of philosophy. As scientific knowledge advances, and as philosophical analysis improves, religion is progressively purified of the superstitions that accidentally attach themselves to it as parasites. That being so, it is easier in fact to be more truly religious today than ever before, precisely because of the advances that have been made in science and philosophy. That is to say, it is easier for those who will make the effort to think clearly in and about religion, not for those whose addiction to religion is nothing more than a slavish adherence to inherited superstition. Throughout the whole of the past, only a small number of men were ever truly religious. The vast majority who gave their epochs and their societies the appearance of being religious were primarily and essentially superstitious.”
A fascinating fellow he was.
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Today we are allowed to be non-religious in most parts of the world. Until quite recently, we better shut up and pretend we were believers.

Though, a friend of mine recently told about her experience having spent a year in rural Mississippi when she was an exchange student in high school. Being born in East Germany, she wasn't very religious at all. But she had better going to church every Sunday, and it caused quite an uproar when she together with other exchange students told the community that they wouldn't give the oath to remain virgins until marriage.
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A more joyous celebration of the atheist viewpoint than is usually expressed:
Which is odd because as an atheist, I'm quite happy with my viewpoint. Most atheists I know are very positive people.
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Which is odd because as an atheist, I'm quite happy with my viewpoint. Most atheists I know are very positive people.
That's 'cause we know we aren't going to hell.
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A more joyous celebration of the atheist viewpoint than is usually expressed:
I posted this a year or two ago. It falls under the same category of joyful atheism.

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This Heaven
David Gilmour

(Gilmour/Gilmour - Samson)

All the pieces fall into place
When we walk these fields
And I reach out to touch your face
This earthly heaven is enough for me

So break the bread and pour the wine
I need no blessings but I'm counting mine
Life is much more than money buys
When I see the faith in my children's eyes

I've felt the power in a holy place
And wished for comfort when in need
Now I'm here in a state of grace
This earthly heaven is enough for me

So break the bread and pour the wine
I need no blessings but I'm counting mine
Life is much more than money buys
When I see the faith in my children's eyes
I think I get all that religion provides for others - the wonder, the joy, the awe, the comfort - from just looking around me. This song encapsulates that perfectly for me.
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^ That is a nice song.


I can't say for certain that this is about Atheism, but I like to take it that way.

Duran Duran's

"None Of The Above"

I am I, myself alone
Realize I never need to use no one
When it comes down to my soul
Freedom puts my faith in none of the above

There was a time I was so afraid
Of everything people around me said
That I wanted to hide my face in the shadows

There was a time on a bed of nails
I was dreaming a plan up that could not fail
But no power under the sun could pull it together

[Chorus:]
Can't take this attitude
Got to show now I've got to move on
God knows where I'm going to
Its a lonely burning question

I am I myself alone
Realize I never need to use No-one
Money, power, Holy roads.
Freedom puts my faith in none of the above

If there's a time that we ever see
The nature of life in reality
Then I want to be there
To kick at the answer

[Chorus]

I am I myself alone
Realize I never need to use No-one
When it comes down to my soul
Freedom puts my faith in none of the above
I am I myself alone
Realize I never need to use No-one
Money, power, Holy roads.
Freedom puts my faith in none of the above

[MIDDLE]

I am I myself alone
Realize I never need to use No-one
When it comes down to my soul
Freedom puts my faith in none of the above
I am I myself alone
Realize I never need to use No-one
Money, power, Holy roads.
Freedom puts my faith in none of the above

None of the above
My faith in none of the above
None of the above
I stand by none of the above
None of the above
I stand by none of the above
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David Gilmour's guitar is heaven.
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