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Old 02-10-2010, 07:07 PM   #136
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you just don't get it
many don't

that miracle, that a little baby could be found alive in a tree
TWO WEEKS LATER
is proof that God does choose to do miracles, when he chooses

all the other deaths do not matter

if there were NO MIRACLES
then atheists would have better arguments!

I can't tell if you are kidding or not LL
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Old 02-10-2010, 08:30 PM   #137
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The only question is if Jesus were here today
would he be



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GOD! They look sexy!
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Old 02-11-2010, 01:31 AM   #138
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Still waiting for someone's leg to grow back guys!
Actually, I've had friends who have had crooked legs and backs made straight as a direct result of healing prayer.

I get leery of anyone who claims to be able to manifest (or manipulate) healing power. (Benny Hinn comes to mind, as does a host of others.) But that's not the same thing as believing that miraculous healings don't happen.

There was a film at Sundance about miraculous healing. At the end of the Q&A the director, Mark Ruffalo, was asked whether he believes in healing. His response was interesting: "I believe you get the healing you need, not the healing you want."
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Old 02-11-2010, 01:37 AM   #139
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What ethical person could go along with a human sacrifice to satisfy a blood debt?
That's kind of the whole point, actually. In the face of various tribal cultures who understood and embraced human sacrifice, traditional Judaism sacrificed lambs at the temple during Passover -- and followers of Jesus believe He was the fulfillment of such sacrifices, sent by God and being the very nature of God to declare once and for all that the debt was paid, by taking on the sum total debt of humanity's sin and brokenness.

What human sacrifice could not do, God did by putting Himself in our place.
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My question has been answered, and I still find such sacrifice repulsive.
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Old 02-11-2010, 03:34 AM   #141
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My question has been answered, and I still find such sacrifice repulsive.
The cross is a brutal, horrific symbol of death. It's weird that Christians revere it so. I understand its significance in what I believe, but I find the empty tomb much more indicative of the faith I pursue. Romanticizing the crucifixion seems to be missing the point.
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Actually, I've had friends who have had crooked legs and backs made straight as a direct result of healing prayer.
There was no modern medicine at play at all?
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many of the posts in here become good arguments for atheism, intended or not.
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Actually, I've had friends who have had crooked legs and backs made straight as a direct result of healing prayer.
This is why every time I start to lighten up to Christianity, I'm reminded why I hate it so.

Just listen to what you just said.
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There was no modern medicine at play at all?
No. In at least two occasions, they went to the doctors the next day, who were confounded. Another friend had the same experience with cancer. There was no medical explanation for what happened.

Yes, PhilsFan, I'm aware of what I said.

I'm not one to start running around and declaring magic cures. I think a lot of that stuff is a crock of hooey.

But I can no longer say that miracles don't happen.
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Yes, your friends' prayers got their limbs healed. People die from an earthquake or a tsunami or a hurricane, but your friends' limbs are better because of God. Got it. OK.
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Yes, your friends' prayers got their limbs healed. People die from an earthquake or a tsunami or a hurricane, but your friends' limbs are better because of God. Got it. OK.
And a year ago my wife and I miscarried.

I understand the emotion behind this. I really do. At the same time, it's not like the world gets any better if you remove God from it. So, like I said before, maybe suffering doesn't prove the absence of God. Maybe God is found in the hands that pull people alive from the Haitian rubble long after they're supposed to be dead.
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Actually, I've had friends who have had crooked legs and backs made straight as a direct result of healing prayer.
You can believe in miracles but the reference to "direct result" above is still a silly statement.

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we tell ourselves stories

that is the only truth
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You can believe in miracles but the reference to "direct result" above is still a silly statement.

Not if you were there.
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