arrest the Pope

[The Sad Punk]

The Vatican is full of retards.

That's about as much as I'm willing to comment on the matter.

 

[deep]

You do realize that if women were Priests, they would be around Altar Boys,
would that be advisable.

We all know how these Altar Boys have corrupted otherwise honorable men.

Why put women Priests at risk?

 

[Benji2112]

There is simply too much molestation in the Church right now. As a Catholic, I feel I have to put forward solutions so that my Church can heal. There needs to be a new scheme in order to drive down these cases of molestation throughout the church.

I would propose a new "molestation cap and trade" deal which caps the amount of children every priest can molest, because clearly the current levels of molestation are unnacceptable. Every priest will be able to molest a MAXIMUM of 5 children (or 15 deaf children as they are less likely to tell the authorities) per financial year. Now, these are tradable omongst other priests for a price determined by the market. Eventually, market forces and irrepressible sexual disfunction will drive the price up to very high levels, which will naturally result in preists investigating and trialling new and more efficient ways to molest and keep the kids from running to the authorities. This "kiss and tell" policy that more and more kids are adopting is a disease which has plagued the Church for a while now and that must/will be erradicated.

Hence, of course there will still be the traditional molestation, but children will remain silent due to more efficient and streamlined molestation methodologies (quid quo pro deals such as offering ham sandwiches and blueberry muffins post-rape session could be investigated and tested for viability and effectiveness). This new molestation cap and trade deal will result in the appearance of a much more cleaner and unquestionable Church that deserves its share of the frequent but above all quiet molestation, in exchange for your salvation through the Lord Jesus Christ.

Any opinions ?
Thanks guys,
Stefan
(a concerned Catholic)

Right on !


Didn't Bono just cut some deal with the pope?

 

[Knuckle]

Meanwhile, in LOLVATICAN news:

Vatican makes attempted ordination of women a grave crime | World news | guardian.co.uk

"Revised Catholic rules put female ordination in same category of crime under church law as clerical sex abuse of minors"

Whenever I feel conflicted, and find myself second-guessing the religious (or non-religious as the case may be) decisions I've made for myself and family, I just keep coming back to how the Church views women. I cannot reconcile that notion against what I believe and want for the people I love. End of story.

 

[corianderstem]

Didn't Bono just cut some deal with the pope?

Yeah, he was hiding molesting priests in his back brace.

 

[melon]

This whole issue is so disconcerting that it’s difficult to get my mind around. There are times when I consider returning to the Catholic faith - as I often miss the traditions and rituals and the veneration of Mary. They bring with them a sense of holiness and a deep mental connection that I don’t experience often in the Protestant faith.

Ever considered the Anglo-Catholic tradition of the Anglican/Episcopal church? It's basically "Catholicism" minus the Vatican; and, more often than not, they tend to be quite heavy on the pre-Vatican II ritualism. In keeping with the Protestant tradition, though, the specifics of how "Catholic" or "reformed" / how liberal or conservative the services are will be determined by individual congregations (as an aside, the decentralized nature of the Episcopal Church is kind of why the controversies currently brewing in the Anglican Communion are overblown). I do know of at least one here in Toronto that has Marian devotion, for example.

It might be worth investigating, if you're so inclined.

 

[A stor]

What do you even say about this? It's so shameful, disgusting and appalling.

I agree. There is no explanation for this.

I attend a Catholic Church for spiritual reasons only and I admit. I do not like Pope, at all. He is taking the Catholic faith back to the Dark Ages. Child abuse can not be swept under a rug. I don't care who commits this offense. If proven guilty, justice should be served. No exceptions.

The Pope would be surprised as to how many "good Catholic women" in the U.S. use and are all for, family planning and birth control. It's our bodies, he has no right to decide. When or if we want to have children. The same for going against the use of condoms. Any medical care giver can tell you this is proven to help stop the spread of HIV and other STDS.

 

[A stor]

You do realize that if women were Priests, they would be around Altar Boys,
would that be advisable.

We all know how these Altar Boys have corrupted otherwise honorable men.

Why put women Priests at risk?

I think Catholic Priest should be allowed to marry, if they choose to. I grew up in the Methodist faith and most of our Reverends were married and had children. It was nothing unusual to us. I'm almost positive they now have women ministers.

Married women priest would be even better. Since, Mary of Magdeline was the first apostle and closest to Jesus. I think the "Church" was actually passed on to her, not Peter. So, by all rights. A woman should be the Pope.


As you can tell, I am a horrible Catholic. I believe in a mixture of Protestant, Catholic and Buddhist teachings. I am spiritual that's all.

 

[A stor]

Right on !


Didn't Bono just cut some deal with the pope?

The only dealings I have heard of as to Bono and the Pope. Was when he met John Paul the second and later joined the Jubilee Coalition.

 

[PhilsFan]

I'd like being Catholic a lot more if they stopped getting involved with politics. But my church has had an anti-abortion sign right on the road for over a year now. It's easier to see than the fucking sign identifying what parish it is. They give out roses for Mother's Day, but they're for supporting "pro-life," not mothers. My mother refused to allow my father to take one to give to her, because that would mean they were inadvertently showing support to the movement our religion shouldn't be involved in.

Religion should be personal and completely, 100% separate from politics, is my point.

 

[Benji2112]

Yeah, he was hiding molesting priests in his back brace.

No, don't think that was it . It was something else. I am VERY certain Bono doesn't advocate child molestation. Quite the opposite.

 

[Benji2112]

Yeah, he was hiding molesting priests in his back brace.

surely you jest.

 

[A stor]

I'd like being Catholic a lot more if they stopped getting involved with politics. But my church has had an anti-abortion sign right on the road for over a year now. It's easier to see than the fucking sign identifying what parish it is. They give out roses for Mother's Day, but they're for supporting "pro-life," not mothers. My mother refused to allow my father to take one to give to her, because that would mean they were inadvertently showing support to the movement our religion shouldn't be involved in.

Religion should be personal and completely, 100% separate from politics, is my point.

I agree.......faith should be about, well just that. Faith. I enjoy the quiet prayer and spirituality of the Mass. The reason I go. I'm not interested in any political agenda combined with religion.

 

[A stor]

No, don't think that was it . It was something else. I am VERY certain Bono doesn't advocate child molestation. Quite the opposite.

You are right. He doesn't advocate this.

I tried to send you a PM. But, your folder is full.

 

[corianderstem]

No, don't think that was it .

surely you jest.

Spoiler

Don't call me Shirley.

 

[Benji2112]

You are right. He doesn't advocate this.

I tried to send you a PM. But, your folder is full.

all better now

.

 

[A stor]

Thanks!

 

[financeguy]

There are very good reasons why homosexuals have been traditionally attracted to the priesthood. I know these reasons because I, as someone ‘confused about my sexuality’, had to confront and entertain the idea that I should join the priesthood. In 1971, aged 16, I gave up my Easter break so I could attend a workshop for boys who believed they had a vocation.

A few years later, on Easter Sunday, as I wandered around the inside of St Peter’s in Rome after Mass, I noticed vast numbers of bishops and cardinals, all in their regalia. Since the sun was shining, some of them had the most beautiful seminarians or young priests standing behind them holding yellow umbrellas over their heads. It was a sight for sore eyes.

Priests prance around in elaborately fashioned costumes. Bishops and cardinals have even more colourful vestments. This ‘overt behaviour’ on their part has to be examined carefully. Since it is part of the rule of the Church, part of the norm, it has to be emphasised that many of them do not dress up as a matter of choice. Indeed, the vestments in all their glory might make some of them wince. But others seem to enjoy it. Among those who seem to enjoy it is Ratzinger.

While there is something oddly emphatic and absolute and oddly hateful in his diktats, it should be understood that he has taken this tone on other matters besides homosexuality. He may well have taken it out of pure conviction and seriousness; to suggest that this most ideological of figures may or may not be homosexual himself simply because he has made so many statements on the matter seems unfair to him. And in his way of wearing clothes, he is not different from any other member of the Church hierarchy. It is unlikely they all get pleasure from wandering around looking like elderly fashion victims, even if some of them, including Ratzinger, seem to do so. It may depend on who is taking the photographs. And it seems natural that Ratzinger would have a private secretary who is also from Bavaria and with whom he seems to share an ideology. It might be pure coincidence that he is one of the most handsome men alive.

LRB · Colm Tóibín · Among the Flutterers

 

[financeguy]

Another outbreak of weirdness from the Gucci-shoed, frock-wearing, ex-Hitler Youth (and plausibly, self-hating queer?) fraternity:

Priest banned from writing - The Irish Times - Sat, Nov 13, 2010

 

[AliEnvy]

Sweet Mary mother of f*ck.

Pope’s child porn 'normal' claim sparks outrage among victims - World news, News - Belfasttelegraph.co.uk

Victims of clerical sex abuse have reacted furiously to Pope Benedict's claim yesterday that paedophilia wasn't considered an “absolute evil” as recently as the 1970s.

In his traditional Christmas address yesterday to cardinals and officials working in Rome, Pope Benedict XVI also claimed that child pornography was increasingly considered “normal” by society.

“In the 1970s, paedophilia was theorised as something fully in conformity with man and even with children,” the Pope said.

“It was maintained — even within the realm of Catholic theology — that there is no such thing as evil in itself or good in itself. There is only a ‘better than' and a ‘worse than'. Nothing is good or bad in itself.”

“We cannot remain silent about the context of these times in which these events have come to light,” he said, citing the growth of child pornography “that seems in some way to be considered more and more normal by society” he said.

 

[corianderstem]

I know I always like to include some flabbergasting statements about child abuse in my annual holiday statements. Fits right in.

Merry Christmas!

 

[BVS]

I know I always like to include some flabbergasting statements about child abuse in my annual holiday statements. Fits right in.

Merry Christmas!

I was thinking the same thing...

 

[ryancoke71]

WTF????

 

[Pearl]

What...the...FUCK?

This is how he defends his actions? By normalizing pedophilia and child porn? Give me a break!

 

[deep]

I was really young,
but the Pope's and Polianski's fond memories of the 70s are quite different than mine.

 

[deep]

“In the 1970s, paedophilia was theorised as something fully in conformity with man and even with children,” the Pope said.

The latest controversy comes as the German magazine Der Spiegel continues to investigate the Pope's role in allowing a known paedophile priest to work with children in the early 1980s.

.

who would want to be led by this man?

 

[corianderstem]

I read the article several times - I just figured I had to be misinterpreting what he was actually saying. I can't figure out what he's actually trying to say, because honestly, I don't actually think he's saying child porn is in any way okay.

He shouldn't really say ANYTHING about anything remotely connected to sexual abuse, considering how complicit and/or silent the church has been in years of abuse, but .... that's not actually what he's saying, right? Right???



Edit, from deep's post above:

"“In the 1970s, paedophilia was theorised as something fully in conformity with man and even with children,” the Pope said."

No, really, Pope. What the hell are you actually trying to say, because surely you cannot mean what we think you mean. Right? Right????

 

[ryancoke71]

I have read it over and over too, and I can't figure out what the hell he is trying to say either. I do know that some priests that have taught me religious ed in university do not like this Pope.

*hangs Catholic head in shame!*

 

[financeguy]

In assessing Benny's latest comments, I guess it depends on one's starting point and one's particular biases and opinions.

Mine is that Benedict is an evil old Nazi-supporting, child-abuse covering up sociopath, so I may be biased on this.

 

[Pearl]

Ugh, here's Bill Donohue's response to the criticism:

Among those condemning the pope is Sinead O'Connor. "Exactly who held the theory that pedophilia was fully in conformity with man and with children? Please give us their names."
Catholic League president Bill Donohue answered O'Connor today:
You want names? Here they are: Michel Foucault, Jacques Derrida, Louis Althusser, Jean-Paul Satre, Simone de Beauvoir, André Glucksmann, Roland Barthes. All of these French intellectuals -- and there are many more -- signed a petition in 1977 demanding that all the laws on sex between adults and minors be stricken. Years earlier, in the U.S., Alfred Kinsey justified pedophilia, claiming that "the current hysteria over sex offenders" was detrimental to child development. So did his colleague, Wardell Pomeroy. Moreover, many other writers and activists have expressed a tolerance for pederasty that is extremely dangerous. They include Larry Kramer, Camille Paglia, Allen Ginsberg and John Money. And, of course, NAMBLA is expressly organized to further the cause of man-boy sex. So commonplace is this perversion that some scholars use the term "BLs" to refer to "Boy Lovers."
The Holy Father was not wrong about some Catholic theological circles getting caught up in this insanity. In the 1970s -- the pope was right about the decade -- under the auspices of the Catholic Theological Society, Anthony Kosnick's book Human Sexuality was published. Adopted by some seminaries at the time, it sought increased tolerance for every conceivable sexual deviancy. In other words, the pope got it right.

http://www.standardnewswire.com/news/861245840.html