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Old 07-19-2010, 06:58 PM   #136
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You are right. He doesn't advocate this.

I tried to send you a PM. But, your folder is full.
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Old 07-19-2010, 07:33 PM   #137
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Old 08-13-2010, 08:01 PM   #138
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There are very good reasons why homosexuals have been traditionally attracted to the priesthood. I know these reasons because I, as someone ‘confused about my sexuality’, had to confront and entertain the idea that I should join the priesthood. In 1971, aged 16, I gave up my Easter break so I could attend a workshop for boys who believed they had a vocation.
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A few years later, on Easter Sunday, as I wandered around the inside of St Peter’s in Rome after Mass, I noticed vast numbers of bishops and cardinals, all in their regalia. Since the sun was shining, some of them had the most beautiful seminarians or young priests standing behind them holding yellow umbrellas over their heads. It was a sight for sore eyes.
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Priests prance around in elaborately fashioned costumes. Bishops and cardinals have even more colourful vestments. This ‘overt behaviour’ on their part has to be examined carefully. Since it is part of the rule of the Church, part of the norm, it has to be emphasised that many of them do not dress up as a matter of choice. Indeed, the vestments in all their glory might make some of them wince. But others seem to enjoy it. Among those who seem to enjoy it is Ratzinger.
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While there is something oddly emphatic and absolute and oddly hateful in his diktats, it should be understood that he has taken this tone on other matters besides homosexuality. He may well have taken it out of pure conviction and seriousness; to suggest that this most ideological of figures may or may not be homosexual himself simply because he has made so many statements on the matter seems unfair to him. And in his way of wearing clothes, he is not different from any other member of the Church hierarchy. It is unlikely they all get pleasure from wandering around looking like elderly fashion victims, even if some of them, including Ratzinger, seem to do so. It may depend on who is taking the photographs. And it seems natural that Ratzinger would have a private secretary who is also from Bavaria and with whom he seems to share an ideology. It might be pure coincidence that he is one of the most handsome men alive.
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Old 11-12-2010, 08:58 PM   #139
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Another outbreak of weirdness from the Gucci-shoed, frock-wearing, ex-Hitler Youth (and plausibly, self-hating queer?) fraternity:

Priest banned from writing - The Irish Times - Sat, Nov 13, 2010
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Pope’s child porn 'normal' claim sparks outrage among victims - World news, News - Belfasttelegraph.co.uk

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Victims of clerical sex abuse have reacted furiously to Pope Benedict's claim yesterday that paedophilia wasn't considered an “absolute evil” as recently as the 1970s.

In his traditional Christmas address yesterday to cardinals and officials working in Rome, Pope Benedict XVI also claimed that child pornography was increasingly considered “normal” by society.

“In the 1970s, paedophilia was theorised as something fully in conformity with man and even with children,” the Pope said.

“It was maintained — even within the realm of Catholic theology — that there is no such thing as evil in itself or good in itself. There is only a ‘better than' and a ‘worse than'. Nothing is good or bad in itself.”
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“We cannot remain silent about the context of these times in which these events have come to light,” he said, citing the growth of child pornography “that seems in some way to be considered more and more normal by society” he said.
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Old 12-22-2010, 08:27 PM   #141
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I know I always like to include some flabbergasting statements about child abuse in my annual holiday statements. Fits right in.

Merry Christmas!
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Old 12-22-2010, 08:32 PM   #142
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I know I always like to include some flabbergasting statements about child abuse in my annual holiday statements. Fits right in.

Merry Christmas!
I was thinking the same thing...
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Old 12-22-2010, 08:35 PM   #143
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Old 12-22-2010, 08:36 PM   #144
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What...the...FUCK?

This is how he defends his actions? By normalizing pedophilia and child porn? Give me a break!
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I was really young,
but the Pope's and Polianski's fond memories of the 70s are quite different than mine.
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“In the 1970s, paedophilia was theorised as something fully in conformity with man and even with children,” the Pope said.
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The latest controversy comes as the German magazine Der Spiegel continues to investigate the Pope's role in allowing a known paedophile priest to work with children in the early 1980s.

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I read the article several times - I just figured I had to be misinterpreting what he was actually saying. I can't figure out what he's actually trying to say, because honestly, I don't actually think he's saying child porn is in any way okay.

He shouldn't really say ANYTHING about anything remotely connected to sexual abuse, considering how complicit and/or silent the church has been in years of abuse, but .... that's not actually what he's saying, right? Right???



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"“In the 1970s, paedophilia was theorised as something fully in conformity with man and even with children,” the Pope said."

No, really, Pope. What the hell are you actually trying to say, because surely you cannot mean what we think you mean. Right? Right????
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I have read it over and over too, and I can't figure out what the hell he is trying to say either. I do know that some priests that have taught me religious ed in university do not like this Pope.

*hangs Catholic head in shame!*
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Old 12-22-2010, 09:52 PM   #149
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In assessing Benny's latest comments, I guess it depends on one's starting point and one's particular biases and opinions.

Mine is that Benedict is an evil old Nazi-supporting, child-abuse covering up sociopath, so I may be biased on this.
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Ugh, here's Bill Donohue's response to the criticism:

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Among those condemning the pope is Sinead O'Connor. "Exactly who held the theory that pedophilia was fully in conformity with man and with children? Please give us their names."
Catholic League president Bill Donohue answered O'Connor today:
You want names? Here they are: Michel Foucault, Jacques Derrida, Louis Althusser, Jean-Paul Satre, Simone de Beauvoir, André Glucksmann, Roland Barthes. All of these French intellectuals -- and there are many more -- signed a petition in 1977 demanding that all the laws on sex between adults and minors be stricken. Years earlier, in the U.S., Alfred Kinsey justified pedophilia, claiming that "the current hysteria over sex offenders" was detrimental to child development. So did his colleague, Wardell Pomeroy. Moreover, many other writers and activists have expressed a tolerance for pederasty that is extremely dangerous. They include Larry Kramer, Camille Paglia, Allen Ginsberg and John Money. And, of course, NAMBLA is expressly organized to further the cause of man-boy sex. So commonplace is this perversion that some scholars use the term "BLs" to refer to "Boy Lovers."
The Holy Father was not wrong about some Catholic theological circles getting caught up in this insanity. In the 1970s -- the pope was right about the decade -- under the auspices of the Catholic Theological Society, Anthony Kosnick's book Human Sexuality was published. Adopted by some seminaries at the time, it sought increased tolerance for every conceivable sexual deviancy. In other words, the pope got it right.
http://www.standardnewswire.com/news/861245840.html
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