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Old 07-21-2010, 08:55 PM   #511
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But don't they eventually have to turn the issue over to the Feds? This law doesn't change that, does it? So I'm not sure what exactly you're talking about.
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Old 07-28-2010, 02:26 PM   #512
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Judge blocks parts of Arizona immigration law - Yahoo! News

Immigration is a Federal issue,
the citizens of Arizona should put pressure on their GOP politicians to get to work on a Federal Immigration Bill
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Old 07-28-2010, 02:52 PM   #513
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What's the [censored] with these people?"

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As the AZ Daily Star reports, Elton John brought the immigration law (S.B. 1070) issue up during the Tucson concert on July 22 (which was pushed back a day due to food poisoning). Elton John used some salty language when he addressed the Tucson Convention Center crowd, speaking passionately about artists who are participating in a grassroots boycott against the embattled state over S.B. 1070:

"We are all very pleased to be playing in Arizona. I have read that some of the artists won't come here. They are [censored] wits! Let's face it: I still play in California, and as a gay man I have no legal rights whatsoever. So what's the [censored] with these people?"
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Elton loves a paycheck.
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I guess that is why he won't boycott CA, the anti-gay state.
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Old 07-28-2010, 05:46 PM   #516
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Elton loves a paycheck.
Who doesn't? The question is where he should draw the line? I suppose that's up to him (as well as to the artists he's criticizing).
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Didn't he sing at Rush's wedding?
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Didn't he sing at Rush's wedding?
He did.
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Old 07-28-2010, 06:34 PM   #519
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Those that are left in here, or those that are lurking will definately not like this:

OPB News Under Obama, More Illegal Immigrants Sent Home

It has facts, and you won't find them on Fox, Hannity, or Beck...


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In fact, the federal government under President Obama has steadily increased the deportation of illegal immigrants. The Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) agency says it's on track to expel some 400,000 people this year, 8 percent more than 2008 -- the last year of the Bush administration.
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The Obama administration is also targeting employers who hire illegal immigrants. But instead of conducting a few high-profile raids and hauling workers away in handcuffs, the government is auditing the working papers filed at hundreds more companies. And there's been a nearly six-fold increase in the past two years in employer fines.
Doesn't really sound like a global Socialism ploy to me

Why does Beck lie to us?
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By JACQUES BILLEAUD and AMANDA LEE MYERS, Associated Press Writers

PHOENIX – Lost in the hoopla over Arizona's immigration law is the fact that state and local authorities for years have been doing their own aggressive crackdowns in the busiest illegal gateway into the country.

Nowhere in the U.S. is local enforcement more present than in metropolitan Phoenix, where Maricopa County Sheriff Joe Arpaio routinely carries out sweeps, some in Hispanic neighborhoods, to arrest illegal immigrants. The tactics have made him the undisputed poster boy for local immigration enforcement and the anger that so many authorities feel about the issue.

"It's my job," said Arpaio, standing beside a sheriff's truck that has a number for an immigration hot line written on its side. "I have two state (immigration) laws that I am enforcing. It's not federal, it's state."

A ruling Wednesday by a federal judge put on hold parts of the new law that would have required officers to dig deeper into the fight against illegal immigration. Arizona says it was forced to act because the federal government isn't doing its job to fight immigration.

The issue led to demonstrations across the country Thursday, including one directed at Arpaio in Phoenix in which protesters beat on the metal door of a jail and chanted, "Sheriff Joe, we are here. We will not live in fear."

Meanwhile, Gov. Jan Brewer's lawyers went to court to overturn the judge's ruling so they can fight back against what the Republican calls an "invasion" of illegal immigrants.

Ever since the main flow of illegal immigrants into the country shifted to Arizona a decade ago, state politicians and local police have been feeling pressure to confront the state's border woes.

In addition to Arpaio's crackdowns, other efforts include a steady stream of busts by the state and local police of stash houses where smugglers hide illegal immigrants. The state attorney general has taken a money-wiring company to civil court on allegations that smugglers used their service to move money to Mexico. And a county south of Phoenix has its sheriff's deputies patrol dangerous smuggling corridors.

The Arizona Legislature have enacted a series of tough-on-immigration measures in recent years that culminated with the law signed by Brewer in April, catapulting the Republican to the national political stage.

But the king of local immigration enforcement is still Arpaio.

Arpaio, a 78-year-old ex-federal drug agent who fashions himself as a modern-day John Wayne, launched his latest sweep Thursday afternoon, sending about 200 sheriff's deputies and trained volunteers out across metro Phoenix to look for traffic violators who may be here illegally.

Deputy Bob Dalton and volunteer Heath Kowacz spotted a driver with a cracked windshield in a poor Phoenix neighborhood near a busy freeway. Dalton triggered the red and blue police lights and pulled over 28-year-old Alfredo Salas, who was born in Mexico but has lived in Phoenix with a resident alien card since 1993.

Dalton gave him a warning after Salas produced his license and registration and told him to get the windshield fixed.

Salas, a married father of two who installs granite, told The Associated Press that he was treated well but he wondered whether he was pulled over because his truck is a Ford Lobo.

"It's a Mexican truck so I don't know if they saw that and said, 'I wonder if he has papers or not,'" Salas said. "If that's the case, it kind of gets me upset."

Sixty percent of the nearly 1,000 people arrested in the sweeps since early 2008 have been illegal immigrants. Thursday's dragnet led to four arrests, but it wasn't clear if any of them were illegal immigrants.

Critics say deputies racially profile Hispanics. Arpaio says deputies approach people only when they have probable cause.

"Sheriff Joe Arpaio and some other folks there decided they can make a name for themselves in terms of the intensity of the efforts they're using," said Benjamin Johnson, executive director of the pro-immigrant Immigration Policy Center. "There's no way to deny that. There are a lot of people getting caught up in these efforts."

The Justice Department launched an investigation of his office nearly 17 months ago over allegations of discrimination and unconstitutional searches and seizures. Although the department has declined to detail its investigation, Arpaio believes it centers on his sweeps.

Arpaio feels no reservations about continuing to push the sweeps, even after the federal government stripped his power to let 100 deputies make federal immigration arrests.

Unable to make arrests under a federal statute, the sheriff instead relied on a nearly 5-year-old state law that prohibits immigrant smuggling. He has also raided 37 businesses in enforcing a state law that prohibits employers from knowingly hiring illegal immigrants.

"I'm not going to brag," Arpaio said. "Just look at the record. I'm doing what I feel is right for the people of Maricopa County."
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Just got back from my lovely holiday in Spain where all there was in siesta time at the hotel was CNN so watched a lot on this bill and was thinking a bit about it especially the racial profiling issue.

Why is wrong to ask someone who looks hispanic after you've arrested them for something if they are legally in the country? When the majority of illegial people in Arizona are from mexico/central america why is it seen as discrimatory to ask them?
I understand the issue behind racial profiling and discrimination but in this case I don't really see an issue? When I arrive in the USA i am asked all sorts of questions at border control because i am not am american citizen. When I was pulled over while driving for a random inspection the police asked to see my passport to check my visa. I did not feel discriminated against, I understand there are rules and regulations and my veeeeeeeeery strine accent certainly made me stand out from an american citizen.

My issue isn't with illegial immigrants coming to the usa, but more with the major issue of racial profiling people seem to have... I just don't see why its such a big deal?

Stereotyping is one thing, but when they are cracking down on mexican/central american people coming illegially over the border and then want to ask someone who looks or sounds like a mexican/central american if they are here legally, then why is that a problem?
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^I have quite a few African-American friends who've been pulled over and harassed by police. They say it's racial profiling, but they shrug their shoulders and say "That's the way the world is".
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My issue isn't with illegial immigrants coming to the usa, but more with the major issue of racial profiling people seem to have... I just don't see why its such a big deal?

why don't you ask some non-white Australians how they feel about this?
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Well I would but not in Australia at the moment.

So say if something is statistically very high in one area, we can't look that way without being called a racist? I am genuinely interested in the very PC area of this and how its become almost the main issue in the whole thing. I don't see why if I am asked for ID when i sound Australian and someone getting asked for id if they look/sound mexican is any different? This isn't someone in New York, this is people living just across the border where people are excaping through all the time, and by reading lots of articles, it seems like this sort of questioning already happens.

But whatever. Whenever a race is singled out we always have to call racism right? Unless its positive and then we can all clap for them, but if its in a negative light then we all back peddle like crazy.

America has my fingerprints on file, every time i come into te country they scan them to check im the same person, same goes for UK because im on a biometric visa. I think its way over the top, but its a necessary part of travel, should i feel discrimnated against being a non us/uk citizen as well?
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America has my fingerprints on file, every time i come into te country they scan them to check im the same person, same goes for UK because im on a biometric visa. I think its way over the top, but its a necessary part of travel, should i feel discrimnated against being a non us/uk citizen as well?
You seem to be forgetting that there is a very large Hispanic (Mexican and otherwise) population in America which is comprised of legal immigrants and American citizens. The U.S. Government estimates that 62% of the roughly 47 million Hispanics in the U.S. are American-born. I believe that's more people than all of Australia. Why should they be subject to the same scrutiny as you, a non-citizen?
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