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Old 04-25-2010, 12:40 PM   #31
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I don't feel the need to propose an alternate solution to securing our border because this bill does literally nothing to secure our border. All this does is deal with those who have already crossed the border. Those are two very different issues, to me.
Well, I think it is fair to suggest the first issue caused the second...
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Old 04-25-2010, 12:45 PM   #32
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Do you honestly think that is the true intention of the bill?

I'm still not clear what you're proposing as an alternative solution in securing our border.
Paying "liveable" prices for coffee and other commodities to those who are producing them would be a way. You can thank Reagan for the bulk of people that are in the US illegally, while enjoying your cheap cup of coffee.
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Well, I think it is fair to suggest the first issue caused the second...
Sure. But how we deal with each issue should be very different.
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Old 04-25-2010, 01:06 PM   #34
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What's your solution?
Illegal immigration isn't my bogeyman.
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Old 04-25-2010, 01:07 PM   #35
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well there's nothing really fair or unfair about it. cop stops them for something, find out they are "illegally in the country" and send them to an immigration judge, or ICE. that's the way it works (or should work). fairly black and white. leave the gray areas to the judge.

local / state police having the training in immigration law such as basic classes of admission, lengths of stay, visa & green card requirements, how to spot fraudulent documents, knowing what to do with persons "illegally in the country" when they pick them up for something else, and working with federal agencies is a good thing.

stopping someone on the street ONLY because they "look like" they are "illegally in the country" isnt.
If all this were actually the case, it would be something manageable.
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I live in a college town. I know for Philly and maybe even yourself, being "carded" is part of your lexicon. And whether or not you are "carded" is based on what? Profiling, age profiling.
The difference being is that if a police officer comes up to me on the street while I'm in college and walking home from the bar, I have no legal obligation to identify myself. Most people do, because they're not aware of their rights and frankly because asserting those rights to the police will likely cause you a lot of grief. But they do not have to.
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Tea Partiers, let me ask you again...

How does this fit into your "this was not the founding father's intent" or "fiscal responsibility" mantras?

Why do you all so unabashedly embrace hypocrisy?
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Illegal immigration isn't my bogeyman.
And ignoring the problem has done wonders for your state's schools, hospitals, prisons, economy and government spending hasn't it?

Enjoy your bankruptcy.
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The difference being is that if a police officer comes up to me on the street while I'm in college and walking home from the bar, I have no legal obligation to identify myself. Most people do, because they're not aware of their rights and frankly because asserting those rights to the police will likely cause you a lot of grief. But they do not have to.
The difference is our police officers are not the Gestapo. Or the Federales for that matter.

All this law does is make what is already a federal crime a state crime.
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And ignoring the problem has done wonders for your state's schools, hospitals, prisons, economy and government spending hasn't it?

I didn't say I was ignoring it. I said it wasn't my priority.

I'm not personally responsible for my state's immigration problems. It was my great-grandfather who came to this country illegally, not me.

What's ruined my state's schools, hospitals, prisons, economy, and government (?) is the idiot governor we have, Enron (a former favorite of Republicans everywhere), and tea party-types who want to pay zero taxes and still have a cradle-to-grave care system.

Which has all been pointed out to you before. But I suppose it's easier for you to blame the gardner down the street who works 7 days a week to feed his family.
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Enjoy your bankruptcy.

Your state's next, what with the idiots in it trying to screw up your property tax system, just like mine did.
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All this law does is make what is already a federal crime a state crime.
Really? It's a federal crime to drive to work with brown skin?
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Tea Partiers, let me ask you again...

How does this fit into your "this was not the founding father's intent"
It's totally the founding fathers' intent. They owned slaves. Now we just own indentured servants to pick our lettuce.
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It's totally the founding fathers' intent. They owned slaves. Now we just own indentured servants to pick our lettuce.
You make it sound like we need to build a fence to keep people IN the country and not the other way around.

Most of the founding fathers did not own slaves by the way.
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Really? It's a federal crime to drive to work with brown skin?
It's a federal crime to be in the country illegally. Most countries have such laws. Really.
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