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Old 04-25-2010, 12:19 PM   #16
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i dont like the idea of local / state police being able to stop someone solely on looking like an illegal. (that's my job )

i do like local and state police being able to enforce immigration law when they do pick up someone for something else and find out they are illegal.
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Old 04-25-2010, 12:22 PM   #17
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If this Arizona Bill is not something you think is right - what would you suggest to securing the border (if you think it should be secured at all).
This bill is not about securing the border. It's about allowing cops to be racist. All I read from that is, "Hispanic people now have a burden of proof every single time a cop's around." Legal immigrants will be harassed constantly. People who've been here for generations. Just because of this bill.
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i do like local and state police being able to enforce immigration law when they do pick up someone for something else and find out they are illegal.

If this were enforced fairly...


And, once again, people are in no way illegal, they do illegal things.
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And, once again, people are in no way illegal, they do illegal things.
ok "illegally in the country".
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Old 04-25-2010, 12:27 PM   #21
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If you can't tell the difference between THESE Nazi references and people calling Obama Hitler, then you're being willfully ignorant.

Or, as is more likely the case with you in particular, stop trying to get a rise out of people. You're smarter than that - you know the difference.
I live in a college town. I know for Philly and maybe even yourself, being "carded" is part of your lexicon. And whether or not you are "carded" is based on what? Profiling, age profiling. In addition, the subjective judgement by authority figures of your sobriety is constantly being gauged.

Now citizens of Arizona who oppose this bill have every right to protest and show their displeasure. Please afford the "Teabaggers" the same right without labeling them all, well, Teabaggers or ignorant rubes, racists or Tim McVeigh wannabes.
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I'm awaiting your comments in the tea party thread.
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This bill is not about securing the border. It's about allowing cops to be racist.

Do you honestly think that is the true intention of the bill?

I'm still not clear what you're proposing as an alternative solution in securing our border.
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I'm awaiting your comments in the tea party thread.

Perhaps it isn't that interesting...
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I'm still not clear what you're proposing as an alternative solution in securing our border.
So stopping brown people when they're driving to work is your solution to securing our border?
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Perhaps it isn't that interesting...
Nice. And exactly what I expected from you.
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So stopping brown people when they're driving to work is your solution to securing our border?
What's your solution?
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If this were enforced fairly...

well there's nothing really fair or unfair about it. cop stops them for something, find out they are "illegally in the country" and send them to an immigration judge, or ICE. that's the way it works (or should work). fairly black and white. leave the gray areas to the judge.

local / state police having the training in immigration law such as basic classes of admission, lengths of stay, visa & green card requirements, how to spot fraudulent documents, knowing what to do with persons "illegally in the country" when they pick them up for something else, and working with federal agencies is a good thing.

stopping someone on the street ONLY because they "look like" they are "illegally in the country" isnt.
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Do you honestly think that is the true intention of the bill?

I'm still not clear what you're proposing as an alternative solution in securing our border.
I don't know what the intention is, I'm just saying what the result is.

I don't feel the need to propose an alternate solution to securing our border because this bill does literally nothing to secure our border. All this does is deal with those who have already crossed the border. Those are two very different issues, to me.
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I live in a college town. I know for Philly and maybe even yourself, being "carded" is part of your lexicon. And whether or not you are "carded" is based on what? Profiling, age profiling. In addition, the subjective judgement by authority figures of your sobriety is constantly being gauged.

Now citizens of Arizona who oppose this bill have every right to protest and show their displeasure. Please afford the "Teabaggers" the same right without labeling them all, well, Teabaggers or ignorant rubes, racists or Tim McVeigh wannabes.
Are you really comparing carding and sobriety checks to racial profiling? That's a faulty premise, and you know it.

I don't like protesters who get out of hand on either side, for the record. I think Nazism is also brought up way, way too often (even though it at least has logical sense on one side).
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