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Old 04-28-2010, 05:21 PM   #136
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I hope the Arizona bill goes through court proceedings quickly. That way other states will know their options.
But every state already has this law, it just enforces the federal law.

Right? I mean they can't possibly be lying to us.
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Old 04-28-2010, 05:40 PM   #137
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"Now suddenly if you don't have your papers, and you took your kid out to get ice cream, you're going to get harassed – that's something that could potentially happen," Obama said of the Arizona measure. "That's not the right way to go."
Legal aliens are obligated to carry their green card on them, Mr. President. It's federal law.
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Old 04-28-2010, 05:45 PM   #138
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What is a "legal alien"?

Regardless, you still missed his point
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Old 04-28-2010, 07:00 PM   #139
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Legal aliens are obligated to carry their green card on them, Mr. President. It's federal law.


i know, right? if you have nothing to hide, then what are you afraid of? it's not like people ever step outside without their driver's license. maybe they could just wear some sort of armband, like with a sombrero or a tamale? that would ease identification.

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I just hope Obama has his birth certificate on him when he takes Sasha and Malia out for ice cream.
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good idea

he may go there for MLK day,
you know they are one of the states that celebrate it.
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Legal aliens are obligated to carry their green card on them, Mr. President. It's federal law.

How about this: My husband was going to go visit some friends of his mom's who live in Tucson. I advised him not to go. He doesn't have an Arizona driver's license, so if he gets stopped by a cop, and we do know that cops frequently stop motorcyclists for slim reasons, he has no way of proving he's an American citizen.

Oh wait. I guess he could carry his passport to Arizona. You know, that document you have to carry when you visit a foreign country.

But seriously, Bluer White, the only acceptable documents for this law are AZ driver's licenses, passports, and the various papers that legal immigrants have. What should he do?
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But seriously, Bluer White, the only acceptable documents for this law are AZ driver's licenses, passports, and the various papers that legal immigrants have.
I'd put a Glenn Beck bumper sticker on my car

and wear an NRA baseball cap.




\/ you're on the watch list.
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as a potential tourist, this grinds my gears.

luckily i'm white.
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I am watching this brown woman on Hannity ranting about immigration,
my head hurts

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How about this: My husband was going to go visit some friends of his mom's who live in Tucson. I advised him not to go. He doesn't have an Arizona driver's license, so if he gets stopped by a cop, and we do know that cops frequently stop motorcyclists for slim reasons, he has no way of proving he's an American citizen.

But seriously, Bluer White, the only acceptable documents for this law are AZ driver's licenses, passports, and the various papers that legal immigrants have. What should he do?
Surely they accept driver's licenses from other states?
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Surely they accept driver's licenses from other states?

The article I read specified AZ licenses.
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Well gosh, that'll do wonders for their tourism business.
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I found a copy of the text of the law. It says:

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Specifies that a person is presumed to be lawfully present if the person provides any of the following:
Ø A valid Arizona driver license.
Ø A valid Arizona nonoperating identification license.
Ø A valid tribal enrollment card or other form of tribal identification.
Ø A valid federal, state or local government issued identification, if the issuing entity requires proof of legal presence before issuance.
California requires "proof of legal presence" for a DLso I guess Californians are off the hook.
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Claim: All non-US citizens, illegal or not, will be provided with free healthcare services.

False. That’s simply not what the bill says at all. This page includes "SEC. 152. PROHIBITING DISCRIMINATION IN HEALTH CARE," which says that "[e]xcept as otherwise explicitly permitted by this Act and by subsequent regulations consistent with this Act, all health care and related services (including insurance coverage and public health activities) covered by this Act shall be provided without regard to personal characteristics extraneous to the provision of high quality health care or related services." However, the bill does explicitly say that illegal immigrants can’t get any government money to pay for health care. Page 143 states: "Nothing in this subtitle shall allow Federal payments for affordability credits on behalf of individuals who are not lawfully present in the United States." And as we’ve said before, current law prohibits illegal immigrants from participating in government health care programs.
So hospitals, clinics, insurance companies, government aid agencies, pharmacies and doctors can ask for your "papers"... but not policemen in the coarse of their normal duties.
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