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Old 10-14-2009, 01:00 PM   #61
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it's a side effect of Bush's invasion, absolutely. and we appreciate your concern.


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It has never been easy being gay in Iraq. During the Saddam Hussein era, open homosexuality wasn’t technically outlawed, but it was effectively forbidden, and harassment and torture of gay people, if sporadic, were not unknown. After the American-led invasion of the country in 2003, a similar atmosphere persisted.
And yes, it is terrible, and I am concerned, it takes a real sick person to do shit like that.
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And yes, it is terrible, and I am concerned, it takes a real sick person to do shit like that.


and the point of the article is that there's a new Islamist fundamentalist impulse among many Shiites that didn't exist before, and it's far more dangerous now to be gay in Iraq than before, and it's far worse to be a woman in some places in Iraq than before.
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Old 10-14-2009, 06:05 PM   #63
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What kind of war are you talking about, iron horse? Are you talking about Iraq or Afghanistan?

Oh wait, I forgot, you never reply to your own threads. You just hit and run, therefore you are a troll.

I have not read all the replies yet, but I will
try to answer yours.

The point I was trying to make in the title
and my original post is that war is (and has always)
been a horrible and tragic event in human history.

World War Two, in my opinion, was the last war fought as a total war.
The Allies fought against the Nazis and a Japanese government bent on world domination. If you look at a 1942 map of conquest by these two powers, they were getting close to achieving their goal.


Since WW2 it seems, to me, we have tried to sanitize war.
Make it little cleaner, less destructive.


Is this a good idea?

That was my question in my original post.


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Is this a good idea?
I would say "less destuctive" would always be a good thing.

I think Jesus would say the same don't you think?

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Since WW2 it seems, to me, we have tried to sanitize war.
Make it little cleaner, less destructive.

Is this a good idea?


in what sense do you mean?

do you mean that the media has sanitized war? made it more glamorous?

or do you mean that the US Army itself has tried to make war more sanitized? smart bombs, etc. that they are amazingly accurate when they bomb? that drones can find a single person and wipe him (and perhaps a few bystanders) out, whereas in WW2 they'd level a whole town?
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They'll release videos to the press of bombs hitting tanks and houses but not those hitting personnel.
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They'll release videos to the press of bombs hitting tanks and houses but not those hitting personnel.


seeing what bombs actually do to people might make the public rethink their enthusiastic support of certain policies.
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seeing what bombs actually do to people might make the public rethink their enthusiastic support of certain policies.
Seeing the reality of what Saddam did to his own people, his neighbors, his use of WMD on innocent civilians, as well as a basic understanding and education of how the energy reserves in the middle east directly impact the daily lives of everyone living on the planet, and how Saddam threatened that, might make those who opposed Saddam's removal from power rethink their opposition to his removal.
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Since WW2 it seems, to me, we have tried to sanitize war.
Make it little cleaner, less destructive.


Is this a good idea?
Who is 'we'?
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as well as a basic understanding and education of how the energy reserves in the middle east directly impact the daily lives of everyone living on the planet, and how Saddam threatened that,
Go for it then, educate us.
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seeing what bombs actually do to people might make the public rethink their enthusiastic support of certain policies.

I don't know. Either way I don't want someone deciding what I should or should not see.
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I don't know. Either way I don't want someone deciding what I should or should not see.
What? That doesn't even make sense.

Unless you are there, that's ALWAYS going to be the case.
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Go for it then, educate us.
OMG whyyyy would you do this?
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^ Good point. Although I think he'll pull an INDY and ignore it.
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Go for it then, educate us.
I certainly would not think you had difficulty understanding the impact mideast oil has on the rest of the world. But if your questioning that now, or the threat that Saddam posed to Kuwait and northern Saudi Arabia, I'd be willing to discuss it.
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