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Old 07-20-2010, 02:44 PM   #511
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This is such a crap argument, yet it's typical of the Tea Party.

We do not live in the City of Mecca, we have freedom of religion. Don't you cherish that? Don't you think we should be better than countries that don't?

New York is not a holy city, another really bad analogy on your part.

sure I do. But not in your selective freedom. There is a difference?

Do you believe in illegal file sharing? should that be a freedom? Or is it stealing and wrong?

There is a point to this question
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Old 07-20-2010, 02:45 PM   #512
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New York is not a holy city, another really bad analogy on your part.
it kind of is
some consider the West main religion to be secularism / capitalism
and NYC, would be the Mecca of that religion

the Twin Towers were a modern Tower of Babel,
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I believe in coffee

and information wants to be free.
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Old 07-20-2010, 03:26 PM   #514
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and information wants to be free.
U2 believes they should be paid for their work... strongly.
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yes, I have been worried about them
I have started a paypal account where fans can donate to make sure they are provided for in their senior years

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Old 07-20-2010, 03:33 PM   #516
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sure I do. But not in your selective freedom. There is a difference?

Do you believe in illegal file sharing? should that be a freedom? Or is it stealing and wrong?

There is a point to this question
Wow... missed another point by miles.

And what is MY selective freedom?

Are you going to start making sense again and read the posts you quote?
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Old 07-20-2010, 04:24 PM   #517
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U2 believes they should be paid for their work... strongly.
And they should be. Just like everyone else. The only music I have on my computer are official cds I have purchased legally from record stores or artist. It's the same if I play the cd in my car. This is legal. No artist has a problem with that. I don't make any copies.

I expect to be payed at my job. I wouldn't like it if someone stole my pay check.
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Old 07-20-2010, 04:25 PM   #518
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it kind of is
some consider the West main religion to be secularism / capitalism
and NYC, would be the Mecca of that religion

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I agree.
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Old 07-20-2010, 06:25 PM   #519
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A Conderate Flag at a Mosque would be bad . It would be bad at the WH, or the Cap

Don't have one, dont want one.
Do you have any idea how to follow dialogue? Even dialogue that you're involved in?
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Well I can't follow it-but maybe that's more lack of desire

Inception was easier to follow
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It was really simple. Irvine was calling him out for his bizarre comparison of building a mosque in NYC being like hanging a confederate flag in the south. Now he thinks Irvine's talking about a confederate flag on a mosque. What?
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Sorry, I didn't read back that far. Lately it's all kind of fuzzy here...

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fascinating.

so, Andrew Breitbart thinks he's -- zing! -- caught the NAACP in a double standard. regard:

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Breitbart: 'This was not about Shirley Sherrod'
Posted: 07:29 PM ET

Washington (CNN) – Andrew Breitbart, the conservative blogger who published video of a speech by former USDA employee Shirley Sherrod, said Tuesday that his decision to release the video was not motivated by wanting to target Sherrod, the African-American woman shown in the footage talking about racially-charged matters at an NAACP event.

Instead, Breitbart told CNN he released the Sherrod video because he believes it shows the NAACP itself tolerates racist behavior within its ranks – a stinging accusation just one week after the civil rights group made a similar charge against the conservative Tea Party movement.

"This was not about Shirley Sherrod," Breitbart said Tuesday in an interview set to air on CNN's John King, USA.

"This was about the NAACP attacking the Tea Party and this [the video of Sherrod] is showing racism at an NAACP event. I did not ask for Shirley Sherrod to be fired. I did not ask for any repercussions for Shirley Sherrod. They were the ones that took the initiative to get rid of her. I – I do not – I think she should have the right to defend herself."

Breitbart also described his decision to publish the Sherrod video as an effort to expose what he sees as the NAACP's hypocrisy when it comes to allegations of racism.

"[R]acism is used by the left and the Democratic Party to shut up opposition," Breitbart told CNN Chief National Correspondent John King, "And [by releasing the Sherrod video] I am showing you that people who live in glass houses should not be throwing stones."

And Breitbart also sounded off on claims by African-American congressmen that they had been greeted by racial slurs during a Capitol Hill protest earlier this year. The protest included Tea Party activists.

The conservative blogger said the NAACP had "resurrected the false charge" that racial slurs had been directed at the black lawmakers in order to help justify the civil rights organization's recent resolution calling on the leaders of the Tea Party movement to condemn racist elements within their movement's ranks.

"[I]t is a manufactured political hit against the Tea Party because they're fearful that this group of people is going to amass going into November," Breitbart told King.

Editor's Note: Full video coming soon

Sherrod says that she was discussing something that happened 24 -- !!! -- years ago as an example to show how everyone's views can and do change, and she's now great friends with these white farmers.

here's how Breitbart described it:

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We are in possession of a video from in which Shirley Sherrod, USDA Georgia Director of Rural Development, speaks at the NAACP Freedom Fund dinner in Georgia. In her meandering speech to what appears to be an all-black audience, this federally appointed executive bureaucrat lays out in stark detail, that her federal duties are managed through the prism of race and class distinctions.

In the first video, Sherrod describes how she racially discriminates against a white farmer. She describes how she is torn over how much she will choose to help him. And, she admits that she doesn't do everything she can for him, because he is white. Eventually, her basic humanity informs that this white man is poor and needs help. But she decides that he should get help from "one of his own kind". She refers him to a white lawyer.

Sherrod's racist tale is received by the NAACP audience with nodding approval and murmurs of recognition and agreement. Hardly the behavior of the group now holding itself up as the supreme judge of another groups' racial tolerance.


and, lo and behold, what's on that full video? Sherrod's story.

so, based upon withheld/edited footage, Breitbart has attempted to smear and african-american woman of anti-white racism -- the worst kind! -- in order to try to embarrass the NAACP.

has shades of that whole "wise Latina" bru-ha-ha from last summer, when more white people tried to accuse a non-white of racism.

and the NAACP is pissed. rightly so. and they've backed off their original condemnation of Sherrod.

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Evening Buzz: NAACP: We were 'snookered' by Sherrod tape
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Did the Obama Administration and NAACP rush to judge Shirley Sherrod, the U.S. Agriculture Department official, who says she was forced to resign?

Sherrod says yes.

At issue is the video posted online that shows Sherrod delivering a speech in March at a dinner for a Georgia NAACP chapter. In the clip that has a lot of people talking, Sherrod, who is black, described a 1986 encounter with a white farmer before she had the USDA job, when she was working for the nonprofit Federation of the Southern Cooperatives Land Assistance Fund.

The video shows Sherrod telling the audience that the white farmer "took a long time... trying to show me he was superior to me." That led her, she said, to not "give him the full force of what I could do. I did enough."

Though, Sherrod says the clip originally posted by conservative blogger Andrew Breitbart and picked up by Fox News, doesn't tell the whole story.

"I did not discriminate against him (the farmer). And in fact, I went all out. I had to frantically look for a lawyer at the last minute because the first lawyer we went to was not doing anything to really help him," Sherrod said.

Roger Spooner, told CNN he's the farmer she speaks of in the video. He has nothing but praise for her.

"If it hadn't been for her, we would've never known who to see or what to do," said Spooner. "She led us right to our success."

Tonight on 360°, you'll hear from Spooner. You'll also hear from Sherrod and get to listen to the other part of the tape in question that wasn't posted online - until today.

The USDA isn't backing down. Agriculture Secretary Tom Vilsack said her resignation was necessary because it "compromises the director's ability to do her job."

He also said the push for her to step down did not come from the White House.

"I made this decision, it's my decision. Nobody from the White House contacted me about this at all," he said.

Meantime, the NAACP has changed its tune. Benjamin Todd Jealous, president and CEO of the civil rights' group, released a new statement today after reviewing the entire video.

"With regard to the initial media coverage of the resignation of USDA official Shirley Sherrod, we have come to the conclusion we were snookered by Fox News and Tea Party Activist Andrew Breitbart into believing she had harmed white farmers because of racial bias," the statement reads.

"Having reviewed the full tape, spoken to Ms. Sherrod, and most importantly heard the testimony of the white farmers mentioned in this story, we now believe the organization that edited the documents did so with the intention of deceiving millions of Americans."


Later in the statement, Jealous writes, "While we understand why Secretary Vilsack believes this false controversy will impede her ability to function in the role, we urge him to reconsider."

This is in sharp contrast to the NAACP's first news release issued late Monday when the organization backed Vilsack's decision.

"Racism is about the abuse of power. Sherrod had it in her position at the USDA. According to her remarks, she mistreated a white farmer in need of assistance because of his race," Jealous wrote in the first news release.

Anderson will also talk with Jealous tonight about the controversy.

You’ll also hear from Breitbart, who told CNN, “This was not about Shirley Sherrod.”

“This was about the NAACP attacking the Tea Party and this [the video of Sherrod] is showing racism at an NAACP event. I did not ask for Shirley Sherrod to be fired. I did not ask for any repercussions for Shirley Sherrod,” he added.

yeah, no racism in the Tea Party, their leaders, or their mainstream media cheerleaders.

Fox News should just drop the whole "news" pretense and be honest.

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Old 07-21-2010, 01:47 AM   #524
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I'll ask you again, who the hell are you people and how did you guys hijack the Republican Party?


Whats that I hear? Reagan must be rolling over in his grave I can just imagine what he would think of all of these idiots.....
Sorry, Reagan started this whole mess. Well, there were others who wrote the plan but Reagan ushered it in.
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Old 07-21-2010, 11:56 AM   #525
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I'm an Independent and would like to know why not allowing persons to enter the United States illegally, is considered to be racist? Every country has laws against this. Look at what happened to the folks who were hiking, accidently crossing the Iranian border.. They're in prison. Charged with espionage.

European, Russian and Egyptian friends of mine, legally live and work in America, paying all state and federal taxes BTW. They were not given "card blanche" nor did they run over the border. The United States government knows they are here.
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