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Old 07-19-2010, 11:13 PM   #466
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so, Tea Partiers, is it racist/bigoted to oppose the construction of a mosque close to Ground Zero? or does this kind of thing need to be refudiated?

the some of your fellow "concerned" citizens are starting to take a stand ...

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Planned Temecula Valley mosque draws opposition

By Phil Willon, Los Angeles Times

July 18, 2010

Muslims throughout Temecula and Murrieta have saved up for years to build a mosque to replace the plain white industrial building, tucked between a pipeline company and packaging warehouse, where they now gather to pray.

But as the Islamic Center of Temecula Valley moves ahead with plans to build on a four-acre plot of vacant land near Temecula's gentle hills and invading housing developments, plans for the new mosque have stirred hostility in this mostly conservative community in southwest Riverside County.

Along with increased traffic and noise, opponents fear the mosque would clash with Temecula's rural atmosphere and, they say, possibly turn the community of 105,000 into a haven for Islamic extremists.

The pastor of Calvary Baptist Church, just across a cul-de-sac from the site of the mosque, said the two religions "mix like oil and water" and predicted a "confrontational atmosphere" if the project moves forward.

"The Islamic foothold is not strong here, and we really don't want to see their influence spread," said Pastor Bill Rench.

"There is a concern with all the rumors you hear about sleeper cells and all that. Are we supposed to be complacent just because these people say it's a religion of peace? Many others have said the same thing," he said.


Leaders of the Islamic center were surprised by the level of criticism, especially from a few religious groups, saying their current makeshift mosque and Islamic community center have been in town for more than a decade and members always have felt welcome.

"Our children go to the same schools their children go to. We shop at the same stores where they shop," said Mahmoud Harmoush, the imam of the Islamic center and an instructor at Cal State San Bernardino's World Languages and Literatures Department.

"All of a sudden our neighbors wake up and they're opposed to us building the Islamic center there, the mosque. I hope it's a small group," he said.

The mayor and members of the City Council did not respond to calls about the issue. Temecula's city attorney advised them not to comment about the proposed mosque because the Planning Commission's vote on the application for the facility could be appealed to the council.

The Rev. Joe Zarro, co-chairman of the Interfaith Council of Temecula and Murrieta Valley, said criticism of the mosque in the community is from a very small but vocal minority. The council, made up of leaders of a variety of faiths in the area, including Harmoush, unanimously endorsed plans for the mosque, Zarro said.

"A lot of this has been blown out of proportion," said Zarro, the minister at the United Church of the Valley. "It's important for people to see our neighbors, and for them to be part of our community."

The land for the proposed mosque lies west of the Temecula wine country in a pocket of the city that's become a mish-mash of ranch homes with large grassy spreads and clusters of encroaching red-tile roofs. Along with Calvary Baptist, the mosque will be a short walk from Grace Presbyterian Church.

The design of the 24,943-square-foot mosque and center reflect a Mediterranean design seen in many Temecula neighborhoods, though the building will have traditional domes topped with crescent moons. The facility will be built in two stages, with the first limited to a 4,100-square-foot mosque to serve about 150 Muslim families living in Temecula, Murrieta and surrounding communities, Harmoush said.

The Islamic center has owned the land since 2000, but the small Muslim community has needed time to raise enough money to build. Harmoush said it could be years before the entire mosque and community center are completed.

The proposal is expected to go before the Temecula Planning Commission in August, and city officials are reviewing the expected effect of the mosque on neighborhood traffic and noise levels and any other environmental concerns.

"We look at land issues, that's it," said Patrick Robinson, director of the city's planning and redevelopment agency. "We don't take into account the denomination of the religion or any of the political issues that surround it."

A petition opposing the new mosque is being circulated by a group called Concerned Community Citizens, and other politically active volunteers have started organizing a campaign against the facility.

Karen Fesini, who belongs to a Republican women's group in the Temecula and Murrieta area, said she's been making calls to warn her friends about the project.

"They say they're not radicals, but how do we know?"' said Fesini, 68.

"Right now we're at war with the Taliban and the Muslims and our boys are over there fighting and dying for our freedom. What would it be like if they come home and found out we just let them in the front door?"



so, who's going to stand there and tell us that the Tea Party -- and their Queen, Sarah Palin -- aren't deliberately stoking up bigoted and racist elements and focusing them on a vulnerable minority in order to create a sense of fear about a potential fifth column in their midst? isn't this just naked bigotry? how far away, per chance, do mosques need to be located from Real American neighborhoods, and how far away, specifically, from Ground Zero?
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Remember they have zero tolerance, it's true because Benji said so...
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so, Tea Partiers, is it racist/bigoted to oppose the construction of a mosque close to Ground Zero? or does this kind of thing need to be refudiated?

the some of your fellow "concerned" citizens are starting to take a stand ...





so, who's going to stand there and tell us that the Tea Party -- and their Queen, Sarah Palin -- aren't deliberately stoking up bigoted and racist elements and focusing them on a vulnerable minority in order to create a sense of fear about a potential fifth column in their midst? isn't this just naked bigotry? how far away, per chance, do mosques need to be located from Real American neighborhoods, and how far away, specifically, from Ground Zero?

cities decide every day where and what can be built.That's why they have zoning and planning boards. Every city has one. Why would this be any different?

On one hand, I have talked the people building it, and on the surface, and a little below, I believe their intentions to be true.

But at the same time, people naturally, get upset about the flying the Confederate flag right? would it be appropriate to fly it over the White House? Would people be offended ? Sure they would.Others would not be offended by it. It would be a smaller group, I hope.

I was a frequent guest of Windows in the World. My Borkerage firm was on floors 38-78 .I had a bond account with a firm called Cantor Fitzgerald My Attorney's daughter, sept 11 201 was her first day at her new Job, at Morgan Stanley.

Almost everyone, some 650 people were killed at Cantor Fitzgerald. My Lawyers daughter was killed her first day of her Job. Windows usually isnt open in the daytime, but there was a catered breakfast meeting so 78 people were there. All died. My Attorney never recovered from the loss of his daughter, and the phone messages she left as she was burning.

It would be natural to not want the mosque there for many reasons. The area is consider sacred ground. Would we go build a WalMart at Mecca?? No . We didn't let them build one at Gettysburg either.

There are a zillion places to build that, and if what the group says, it would serve more people in a different location , as that is their stated goal. Swimming for kids, etc etc. Not many kids live down there.

What Sarah Palin has to do with it, is beyond me.

Pick another place to build it. It's called having good taste .
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Remember they have zero tolerance, it's true because Benji said so...
That's racist? Get a grip.

What he is expressing is valid. Did you not read the Intel report yesterday that said the Intelligence agencies have so many layers, nobody knows what anyone is doing?

Did you miss that? If they don't know what anyone is doing, then that would be cause for concern don't you think?
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Remember they have zero tolerance, it's true because Benji said so...

"But instead of inspiring mutual respect, the center has opened deep divisions marked by vitriolic commentary, pitting Muslims against Christians, Tea Partiers against staunch liberals, and Sept. 11 families against one another. "


I am sorry, besides the bastion of truth NYT saying so, , did I miss the tea partiers arguing in either story?
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Not one single reference to any statement , by any member of the Tea Party.

are we just to assume republican means Tea Party?

NYT throws that in there "pitting Muslims against Christians, Tea Partiers against staunch liberals

5 people just read it. Not one saw any statement attributed to any member of the Tea Party.

Which person is the Tea Party member? None in that story.Who is the liberal?

Man...... There are those of us who know The Who wasn't a question.
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so, who's going to stand there and tell us that the Tea Party -- and their Queen, Sarah Palin -- aren't deliberately stoking up bigoted and racist elements and focusing them on a vulnerable minority in order to create a sense of fear about a potential fifth column in their midst? isn't this just naked bigotry? how far away, per chance, do mosques need to be located from Real American neighborhoods, and how far away, specifically, from Ground Zero?


Please point out any reference in either of those articles that any one of them were Tea Party members?

There isn't any.
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cities decide every day where and what can be built.That's why they have zoning and planning boards. Every city has one. Why would this be any different?
But zoning and planning boards aren't usually based on bigotry. So yeah, big difference.
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I feel like making a collage of all the moments in Benji's posts that don't make any sense.
They will at some point.
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That's racist? Get a grip.
This doesn't fit into your definition of bigotry? Really?

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What he is expressing is valid. Did you not read the Intel report yesterday that said the Intelligence agencies have so many layers, nobody knows what anyone is doing?

Did you miss that? If they don't know what anyone is doing, then that would be cause for concern don't you think?
What the hell does this have to do with the Mosque? I have no clue what you're talking about...
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What Sarah Palin has to do with it, is beyond me.
Sarah never saw a media outlet that she didn't like.
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did I miss the tea partiers arguing in either story?
Apparently so.

The majority of the people being outspoken about this Palin, Glenn, Hannity, etc all align themselves with the Tea Party.
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